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Old 01-31-2017, 02:36 AM   #11
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Well, the Interstate(s) you've seen are a far cry from the one I used to own. Warped doors, rotten wood due to hidden leaks, wood bracing hanging by one screw, peeling plastic veneer everywhere, rusty untreated penetrations (ALL of them), rotten wood-framed skylight, uncrimped coax cables, leaky PEX connections, rattling bed, mis-sewn upholstery, misaligned velcro, curtain snaps with unset rivets, plastic door slides glued in place with adhesive that let loose in two years....
hmmm.....well, other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?
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Old 01-31-2017, 03:16 AM   #12
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hmmm.....well, other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?
Actually, I usually accompany that rant (which is 100% accurate, BTW) with the other side of the story:

The 2005 Interstate had first-rate appliances and fixtures for its day; it had an excellent floorpan; the folding bed/sofas were nice; it was attractive; the single gray/black tank was far superior than the stupidity of separate gray and black tanks; and we thought it was cool to own an Airstream. I eventually fixed almost all of the listed problems and made several major improvements. It was an awesome rig by the time we passed it on. As I said, the Interstate had a lot going for it. But from everything I've seen, the workmanship and QA that Thor delivers are a disgrace to the brand.
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I agree about the lack of quality from Thor. I have one of their luggables and have been horrified about lack of assembly quality. When we decided to get a B the next year, I gave the Interstate a look but after reading the AS forum. They seem to use the people trained on the trailer line. It was easy to go with another brand.
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Old 01-31-2017, 01:10 PM   #14
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Considering they now charge $170k for one, you'll be happy to learn they've made some progress since 2005.
Our Interstate is a 2007, and it has its share of issues, most of which pertain to the behind-the-scenes components (chiefly plumbing, which my husband and I had to re-do in its entirety, and electrical, which we are currently re-doing in its entirety). The visible finishes have stood up well, given that it's now 10 years old (but it was well taken care of, exposed to a 50 lb. dog but no children).

Anecdotal information on Air Forums suggests that the main problems with the newer builds still revolve around those unseen components where corners are still being cut. I've seen photos posted of rusty hardware (fasteners) in rigs that are only two years old. Roof leaks are common among forum users. I've seen reports of the same busted plumbing that we've had to deal with in our older rig (lines sheared off at the tank, presumably from road impacts and vibrations, because flexibility was not built into the system... it breaks rather than bending when necessary). And electrical issues of all types never seem to end - that's the number one forum complaint by volume.

Of course the forums do tend to be problem-heavy because that's where people go for advice.
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I saw the new Roadtreks.

I agree with him... the cabinets look and feel real cheap.

Don't go for the Sprinters or ProMasters.
At last month's nearby RV show, I first stopped to see the new Sprinter based RoadTreks. Inside the cheap feeling doors were some non-functional shelves. There was an uneven gap of about 1/4" on both sides, so they weren't even close to meeting the cabinet walls. The gap was big enough for all sorts of stuff to disappear or get caught as the rig went down the road. I kept thinking that the cabinets looked like I, Mr. Carpentry Klutz, had made them.

I then went to see LTV and PleasureWay. They were lightyears better than RoadTrek.
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If I look at RVs from a manufacturing perspective, I find that they are all crap. The individual arguments among people center on just whose smell better. This is similar to the arguments regarding US cars in the 70's and 80's. There are exceptions but they tend to be high priced boutique builds that better be built well at their price. Then there are those that buy a RV and continue to spend time and money to fix all the design/build issues to make it function as they may have thought it would operate when purchased. The manufacturers have it made!

Looking at auto production as a similar manufacturing process, their build quality issues only started to improve when they improved the manufacturing process. It may be argued that this only began with serious competition from lower priced and yet higher assembly quality autos from outside the US. I am waiting to see if this pattern repeats with RVs as Hymer expands its production capability in North America and brings in higher build quality products. Likewise, I hope that the battery situation improves when Tesla brings mass-produced battery systems that will become a build standard.
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This video restored my faith... at least Pleasure-Way is still doing it the right way.

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Old 02-03-2017, 08:45 PM   #18
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This video restored my faith... at least Pleasure-Way is still doing it the right way.
The pitch regarding the spare tire issue assumes that the flat tire is repairable. But if it's a failure from a road hazard, it probably can't be repaired. What happens then?
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If I look at RVs from a manufacturing perspective, I find that they are all crap. The individual arguments among people center on just whose smell better. This is similar to the arguments regarding US cars in the 70's and 80's. There are exceptions but they tend to be high priced boutique builds that better be built well at their price. Then there are those that buy a RV and continue to spend time and money to fix all the design/build issues to make it function as they may have thought it would operate when purchased. The manufacturers have it made!
I don't buy this. If I look at RVs from an owner perspective, I find that these mini mobile houses are all amazing and what the industry manages to accomplish in twenty feet of amenities is remarkable while still permitting their use as a daily driver. With respect to fixing and redesigning our RV, this is what was required: nothing.
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Actually, I usually accompany that rant (which is 100% accurate, BTW) with the other side of the story:

The 2005 Interstate had first-rate appliances and fixtures for its day; it had an excellent floorpan; the folding bed/sofas were nice; it was attractive; the single gray/black tank was far superior than the stupidity of separate gray and black tanks; and we thought it was cool to own an Airstream. I eventually fixed almost all of the listed problems and made several major improvements. It was an awesome rig by the time we passed it on. As I said, the Interstate had a lot going for it. But from everything I've seen, the workmanship and QA that Thor delivers are a disgrace to the brand.
What's the story here? Airstream has an enviable reputation for their trailers. Are the motor homes a separate business entity or designed by a separate division within the company? When did Thor become involved?
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