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Old 09-19-2018, 12:31 AM   #1
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Several reputable manuf. Are using the Chrysler promaster to make their b+ myself on, such as PW, Dynamax, and even Winn.

Are these decent and enjoyable for long term owners? I find the size fine for me, a single 70 yr old, and the cost of the new ones seem good compared to the extra 30-50k the same manuf. are charging for the Mercedes sprinters and Ford diesels that seem to be popular now.

Are there any big negatives owners are finding about the B+s on the Chrysler promaster that I need to know?

I want to travel and live in it 4-5 months per year, and with the smaller size gas mileage, and being all alone, might also consider it being my only vehicle.
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Old 09-20-2018, 09:11 AM   #2
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Never owned one in the class C style, (what you are calling B+) but do know that they are almost overweight as they leave the factory and handle terrible in comparison to the Transit and Sprinter.
And where did you come up with that $30-50k figure? The Transit based Winnebago Fuse in diesel is only about $10-12k higher than a Promaster based Trend, and are a much, much sturdier platform for a class C coach.

This is the wrong forum to talk about them though because they are not class B's.
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Old 09-20-2018, 06:59 PM   #3
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You may need to try driving a couple of different chassis manufacturers to see what you like best, and whether spending more money is worth it to you. One question you might ask yourself is: Do you envision mostly traveling or mostly camping in one spot? The answer might help you with setting priorities.

We rented a Winnebago Trend B+ which was on a Promaster chassis, and did not like how it drove. It may have been close to overweight, I don't know. I have enjoyed driving Sprinter based class B vans much more, but I don't actually know if any of the B+ based Sprinters would drive similarly. I don't have experience with anything based on the Transit.

So for me, since I mostly drive some every day when we are using the van, a Sprinter based class B is worth the extra money. But that won't suit everyone's needs and there are plenty of people happy with their Promaster.
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Old 09-20-2018, 10:17 PM   #4
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I've driven or owned all 3 chassis. Sprinters in both B and C, driven 4 different Transit vans, all engines, and loaded with 3500lbs of cargo, driven a Promaster Trend, and own a WGO Travato class B.
In order of driving comfort and pleasure. Transit Ecoboost van has no equal in power, comfort and handling. Only issue is the narrow egress from the front seats to the back of unit, and that's no big deal for us.
Sprinter is comfortable, but in class C form it rocks and rolls down the road. Definitely needs some "help" from the aftermarket.
Sprinter in class B form is much better, but still feels top heavy and tippy, but I always hated the interaction between the engine and transmission. Too many dead spots in there and slow reactions. Some of that is just diesel inherent with an ancient transmission design.
Driving the Promaster Trend was a lesson in too much weight on an almost overloaded chassis. Less than 1k lbs of cargo capacity left, and that's dry.
I love how our Promaster van class B drives and handles. Sharpest turning radius in the industry, seating position takes some getting used to but once you get those seats adjusted, good to go. Handles really good even up to 85mph and that's loaded with water and 2 people and their stuff. It's a wider chassis than the other 2 so there's naturally less tippiness. Engine could use more power, but it works as is with that 6spd trans. Does have a narrow egress from the cab like the Transit.
About all I can say except to go out and drive them all to see what fits you best
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Old 09-21-2018, 09:14 PM   #5
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Thanks for the reviews bobojay. Rare to hear from someone who has driven a variety of chassis and not just basing opinions on having just looked at or heard anecdotal stories from others.

I already have my Chevy Express class b ('2012 Airstream Avenue Suite), but enjoy hearing your driving experiences. Too often, experiences I have read are based on amenities and features of the coach only. The driving experience is just as important (if not more) to the enjoyment of a motor home.

Too bad they don't use the modern 8-speed transmission in the Promaster. New transmissions are finally coming to the '2019 Sprinter, but I did not want the diesel experience. I and am quite happy with the 6.0L V-8 power and handling of the Chevy Express 3500. And 15 mpg on trips at or near posted speed limits is very acceptable given the impressive power.

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Old 09-21-2018, 11:40 PM   #6
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I have a 2019 Travato (Promaster) and itís awesome! Drives very nicely. I replaced the factory springs/bump stops with Sumoís and it made a huge difference in handling. Drove through the Rocky Mountains and windy I-70 at high speeds. No problems! I have friends with MB Sprinters. They are most def the best looking Bís out there. But not a fan of MB service where I live. Iíve had several MB diesel sedans that may have left a bad tase in my mouth....
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rowiebowie, I agree on the transmission in the PM, but I think part of the issue is that neither the 8 or 10 spd Mopar transmissions will fit in the chassis with the V6, and the fact that the current 6 spd is much cheaper to manufacture.
After some stumbling with parts quality and software issues the first couple years of Promaster production ('14's and '15's), and the diesel misstep, it has developed into a real workhorse van with the usual European engineering quirks. And the 3.6 engine is a real jewel, quiet, very smooth. We've had 3 of those engines, 2 in Jeep Wranglers and the one in our Travato. Love it....
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rowiebowie, I agree on the transmission in the PM, but I think part of the issue is that neither the 8 or 10 spd Mopar transmissions will fit in the chassis with the V6, and the fact that the current 6 spd is much cheaper to manufacture.
After some stumbling with parts quality and software issues the first couple years of Promaster production ('14's and '15's), and the diesel misstep, it has developed into a real workhorse van with the usual European engineering quirks. And the 3.6 engine is a real jewel, quiet, very smooth. We've had 3 of those engines, 2 in Jeep Wranglers and the one in our Travato. Love it....
Chrysler uses the 8-speed with the 3.6 v-6 in their large sedans and RAM pickups, but I understand it might not work in the Promaster chasis. You are one of many who report good performance from the engine & chassis. It is a now a force in the class b industry. I particularly like the slightly wider chassis that (if the rear bed is packaged higher than the belt-line framing) can allow a 74" side-to-side rear bed. I don't know why that is not exploited since such a bed frees about of foot of space for a larger bathroom or galley. And a foot is huge in a small class b.
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Chrysler uses the 8-speed with the 3.6 v-6 in their large sedans and RAM pickups, but I understand it might not work in the Promaster chasis. You are one of many who report good performance from the engine & chassis. It is a now a force in the class b industry. I particularly like the slightly wider chassis that (if the rear bed is packaged higher than the belt-line framing) can allow a 74" side-to-side rear bed. I don't know why that is not exploited since such a bed frees about of foot of space for a larger bathroom or galley. And a foot is huge in a small class b.
Yes, but remember, the Ducato was originally engineered with only the inline 4 cylinder diesel engines that were available at the time, and manual transmissions in mind. I'm sure no one back then (2003-06ish) ever thought that platform would make an appearance in North America, let alone with a transverse mounted V6 and auto transaxle. Major platform and front cradle re-designs would be needed to get anything bigger in there. Not worth the $$$ to FCA to do it.
Supposedly the V6 and it's air flow and cooling requirements are why the new handsome Ducato front end won't work on our North American Promaster. Dunno if I believe that or not but in any case, I'm sure it's not worth the engineering $$$ for FCA to change it.
And yes, going from an NCV3 Sprinter van to this Promaster has been a lesson in driving a wider van. Squeezing width wise in a parking space has been a new lesson in centering
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Supposedly the V6 and it's air flow and cooling requirements are why the new handsome Ducato front end won't work on our North American Promaster.
Promaster and handsome? Now that's something I never thought I'd hear. I'm gonna have to search for some pics of the new Euro version.
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