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Old 05-09-2011, 02:08 PM   #11
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Frugal? That's why I suggested you might as well sell your B if it changes your plans now. When are your finances if retired or fuel prices going to get better? Price of fuel may drop yet this summer as I read today but it is still a slow ratchet upward in price. If you pass on traveling this year you may find next year worse and wish in hindsight that you should have taken advantage of 2011.

The B is definitely the most economical way to travel. At least of third of our nights we camped for free and many of those places such as national forests you could not get a Class A, Big C or trailer into. On our last night on the road we found our projected campsite under flood warning. It was getting dark so we thought about going to a motel. The first place we tried quoted $129. We immediately said no thanks and went across the road to a Walmart parking lot.

Overnight Free Parking in a Walmart parking lot in North Platte, Nebraska
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Old 05-09-2011, 03:12 PM   #12
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You're entitled to your opinion. I just thought the comment about "selling your B" was arrogant,
and in many "of our faces". If I'm the only one who feels this way, and comments, so be it. If your
comments were intended that way, fine. I think it was harsh.
Not everyone who owns a B, is as financially independent as you, and some of us do choose to plan our
travels based on our resources. I don't think anyone said they wouldn't be traveling this year at all because
of their finances. Read the thread title again. It's about whether your travel plans might change because
of gas prices, under the category Fuel Economy, that's all.
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Old 05-09-2011, 05:13 PM   #13
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A third of the original registrants of the RV.net B8 Rally canceled out. Some cited specifically fuel prices as the reason. I would say that is significant. Even more significant, including all the original registrants of 47, other than our new B, there were no registrants with any B newer than 2008. So fuel prices have not only put a damper on travel but I suspect in B purchases as well since the 2008 downturn. Campgrounds on our last trip were literally empty. None were ever even half full except Easter weekend. Most were a quarter full at best and in some national forests we were the only campers. At Cave Springs CG in a national forest near Sedona, AZ more than 3/4 of the campers were tent campers with compact cars. It was full with kids over spring break and Easter weekend. We saw very few big RVs on the road other than apparent snow birders making their spring trek north.

As usual in the off season before Memorial day and after Labor day, the western national parks campgrounds were dominated by mostly foreigners renting Cruise America Class C RVs out of California.

One interesting thing I noted that I had not seen in previous years that I can recall were the numerous campers, especially in the cheaper national forests, that were traveling and sleeping in the back of compact SUVs. I suspect they weren't campers at all but travelers trying to get some place the cheapest way possible.

The more rugged and remote we got the more truck campers we saw. Those were the sportsmen mostly I assume and probably locals.

We could be looking at an end of a golden era as far as RVing goes and since Bs are not conducive to family travel and are about the highest priced RV per square foot of space they may not be a savior. We travel more nationally spring and fall and locally in the summer. Over the 6 years we've had our Bs the RV scene has certainly changed.
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Old 05-09-2011, 06:05 PM   #14
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Good observations. I would agree with your evaluations of the current state of affairs
in the RV specific, and in the overall real world of recreational travel.
I certainly wish it weren't that way, but there you go.
We plan to do eastern Canada and probably southwestern USA at some point this year.
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Old 05-09-2011, 07:25 PM   #15
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Just a quick plug about current prices; we are currently in Maggie Valley, NC, and purchased gas this morning for $3.74!! We left FL a little over a week ago, price there was about $3.91 and varying....GA was like shy $4, sometimes on $4. As we rode around today, we noticed a few places that had been in the $3.87's were down to $3.75 - wonder if they are going to relax the stranglehold for Memorial Day????? Or could this be a prelude to going over $4 for the holiday. Safe travels.
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Old 05-09-2011, 07:32 PM   #16
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At $3.87/USgal you're paying $1.00/Liter.
We topped out last week before the crude oil swoon at $1.38/Liter for regular in my area, but other
areas were paying closer to $1.50/Liter - markopolo's neck of the woods was probably higher than here.
Just another reason to visit your vastly beautiful and relatively inexpensive country. The prices in your
little republic are mostly better than here, and with out buck at par or better, we can't lose.
I like the variety of culinary treats you have, too.
It has become customary in Canada to always see the price of gasoline and diesel rise before a holiday
of any nature, but long weekends are pretty much a sure thing.
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Old 05-09-2011, 08:27 PM   #17
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The cable news channels are headlining comments today about a possible 75 cent per gallon drop in gasoline prices this summer yet. It may happen. Crude oil prices recently plunged. But it is just ratcheting action. Prices will go up and prices will go down but in the overall action price rises will consistently exceed price drops. But when you talk about opening new and more remote oil fields to drill, or drill deeper in the ocean, or go after shale, you are also talking about more costly oil in the face of increasing demand. The curve is bound to rise higher than equivalent general inflation history.
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Guys like Mike and Davydd actually really use theirs B's. Ask them about the miles they put on. I'm envious. Gas prices - will they change your travel plans? Definitely. Sold the C, can't wait to buy a B. A B will let me take more trips. It is almost more psychological than financial. 8 in a C or 15 to 22 in a B?

I think Photog once pointed out something that like that you can buy a lot a gas on keeping a C that you own or even buying a C. At least that was my interpretation. That is very true but MPG matters. Again, It almost more psychological than financial. Greater MPG seems to give you freedom to choose to travel.
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So much for a break at the pumps.
Oil rose $5.87/bbl today.
They already announced a $0.06/liter jump tonight overnight.
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Old 05-09-2011, 10:14 PM   #20
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On our recent 39 day trip out west from Minnesota to Arizona and back we put on 6,350 miles and I estimate probably close to $1,500 in diesel fuel. We also put all but 420 of those miles on back roads off the Interstate highways. If we did that in a Class A or pulled a trailer we probably would not have done as much driving and would have kept it under 4,000 miles mostly on the Interstate highways. Even so, we would have had to spend over $2,000 in diesel fuel if we had an 8 mpg Class A. We would not have camped in as many varied places and there were several campgrounds we camped in that we could have not gotten to in a Class A or pulling a trailer. There were some roads and mountain passes we would not have attempted. We would have missed out on several stops along the way because of lack of parking. We definitely would not have been able to enjoy some off-beat roadfood restaurants I like to seek out. About the only thing I was tempted and envious of but skipped was the gravel road mountain passes and some off-road trails. That was when I got envious of some of those custom jacked up 4-wheel drive Class Bs Sportsmobile converts for the California contingent I saw in the desert parks. Still, I did drive in several miles on gravel roads to get to the Fort Bowie National Historic Park and the Cochise Stronghold National Forest Campground.
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