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Old 08-12-2015, 04:12 AM   #31
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Don't get offended my friend, all in good fun.
Thats what the little winkie guys mean, you know?

And I wasn't saying I was exceptional, I was saying YOU were.
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Old 08-12-2015, 02:25 PM   #32
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and the hunt continues...
Scott,

Even though they are not available in the US, you might look at some of the European brands based on the ProMaster (Fiat Ducato there) for ideas if you go the DIY route. Hymer makes the HymerCar, 3 models which have bathrooms --HYMERCAR - Models

Their solution to the 4 traveling was the dinette with a seat for 2, but their version appears to be a bit roomier than the Travato 59G version - might just be the photography. To sleep 4 they add a poptop.

There are many small details in the Euro RVs - how they deal with storage, bathrooms, the folding double bed in the rear, galleys, etc, that, to my eye, seem well thought out. The HymerCar Grand Canyon has been rumored to be coming to the US (it was shown at some US RV shows last year), but no update for awhile on that.
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Old 08-12-2015, 03:45 PM   #33
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Thanks Bob.
These are all great suggestions...
I did consider a pop top too, how cool would it be to have a pop top over a high top? With this style plan, that would almost be like a two bedroom class B
Alas, Sportsmobile said they wouldn't do it, and Colorado Campervan said they would, but seemed unable to return phone calls (which was enough to scare me off). Its a pretty expensive option, and only useable parked at a campground, but still a viable idea.

Seems like you have been giving this allot of thought, and shopping around a bit too.. Thinking of trading in the VW?

I may have zeroed in on a good deal on a van.. Will probably check out this weekend.
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....... and Colorado Campervan said they would, but seemed unable to return phone calls (which was enough to scare me off).

Seems like you have been giving this allot of thought, and shopping around a bit too.. Thinking of trading in the VW?
Somewhere on one of the VW EVC forums I read, someone had a new poptop made for their EVC and loved it - excellent workmanship, etc. But there was also a comment that Colorado Campervan is a very small shop, so phone calls can be problematic (the guy is out in the shop building things). So keep trying - use email, too. But I do think that it does have to be installed inches shop in Colorado.

Will keep the VW EVC for now. A bit small but it fits in my garage and is relatively easy to drive around (our other car is a Mini). We have talked about a larger Class B - getting up and down from the poptop berth is fine now, but in a few years? Meanwhile doing some upgrades, etc. So it's fun to look around - going to the Hershey RV show in September and read all the discussion on this forum.
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Even though they are not available in the US, you might look at some of the European brands based on the ProMaster (Fiat Ducato there) for ideas if you go the DIY route. Hymer makes the HymerCar, 3 models which have bathrooms --HYMERCAR - Models

Their solution to the 4 traveling was the dinette with a seat for 2, but their version appears to be a bit roomier than the Travato 59G version - might just be the photography. To sleep 4 they add a poptop.

There are many small details in the Euro RVs - how they deal with storage, bathrooms, the folding double bed in the rear, galleys, etc, that, to my eye, seem well thought out. The HymerCar Grand Canyon has been rumored to be coming to the US (it was shown at some US RV shows last year), but no update for awhile on that.
They are used to maximising space and they do that rather well. Like the HymerCar Sydney, many German Backpackers come here
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Depends on how much room the "4" needs, i.e how much time traveling around vs sleeping. For example an RT TS Adventurous (Class B), seats 4 up front in individual swivel chairs (plus 3 on rear seat for total of 7) - very comfortable for travel. Then the 4 chairs configure to sleep 2 + 2 in the rear for 4 sleeping. In the future with only 2 of you, you could think about removing 1 or 2 of the front seats, adding more storage cabinets or small dinette table in the front.

I think there are similar configurations from other manufacturers, too. Just something to consider.
I agree but it is 22ft 9in and really pricey--around 138$K which might be a stumbling block, right there. There are internal compromises but it is overall a good prospect, for sure. I personally don't like the galley on the drivers side.
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...come to think of it....

I STILL don't see the people.
Come to Vancouver Island. You will eventually see us in our 144 chassis MB Sprinter TS and we are very seldom sitting inside. In fact, we usually have a fire going by the seaside at night--when allowed. I suspect that most B owners sleep in them but are outside and doing stuff too.
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The other half was probably standing right beside me when I took the photo. This was the BLM desert where we were parked for three days. I could show you hundreds of photos. I just picked this one at random. Don't be so smug about this. I know personally or have met, and I will say it, maybe well over a 100 Class B travelers and way more online. I think you have a warped opinion in what you quoted and that you think you are different. Trust me, I am no exception.
True. We B owners get out and about. We sleep in them, sometimes cook in them and stay inside when It pours but those B Rvers are so versatile as a second vehicle and it is often the big A rigs that house the 'stayins'.
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I personally don't like the galley on the drivers side.
Agree with that. Usually mean the bathroom and wardrobe is on the passenger side and blocks your view when driving on that side. Yes, there are mirrors but.....

On the VW EVC, one thing I love about it is the visibility when driving (and passing) - nothing blocking the entire length of the passenger side. Please note no "bathroom" in the EVC and galley and wardrobe are on driver's side.

PW is one company that points out the visibility issue and why they always put galley on passenger side, with windows. Winnebago does that on Travato 59G, but no window (but FitRV got one there! - maybe it will become standard)
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... Winnebago does that on Travato 59G, but no window (but FitRV got one there! - maybe it will become standard)
That window is IMHO, rather silly. The largest window in the van is in that door 1 foot away and personally, I never cook in my van without the door wide open and thereby blocking that window.
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