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Old 06-04-2016, 07:31 PM   #21
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I'm not certain, but I suspect that a lot of people who have never used a proper macerator setup don't realize how much more sanitary and pleasant such a system really is. As stated above, the pump, valves and hoses are all completely sealed--nothing is ever connected or disconnected and it doesn't matter whether the (much smaller) hose is kept clean or dirty. It is really an entirely different experience from the traditional gravity dump.

I did go to the trouble in both of my rigs to arrange for a gravity dump backup, and that is probably a good idea. However, I sold my old rig with a slinky that was never used even once, and so far it is the same with my current one.
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Welcome Z.

Take suggestions for what they're worth. We all have different likes and needs. You mentioned waiting for next years models, so you have some research time.

I do, however, share your concerns with a black water pump. It may end up trouble free, or it could get a bit stinky and messy.

You may want to research the different chassis that the coaches are built on. Get some prices for parts and maintenance, and research reliability.

Gas or Diesel? The Diesels are going through a transition stage right now with pollution controls. Manufacturers are going through a learning curve. Maybe check with other new owners, and see how reliable each is.

Most important, don't put your faith in the Salesmen. Find out for yourself, and get everything in writing.
Well I am glad I followed your suggestion. I spoke with a Mercedes Sprinter mechanic Saturday about long idles with RV under hood generator systems (i.e. Volt Start, etc). Basically said bad idea. For every hour of idle you need to drive the Sprinter at 65 mph or greater for two (2) hours. He said the sensors on the DEF injection and emissions are so sensitive that you will get an engine check light if you do not let the system clean up after long idles. So I am now focusing on a gasoline RV or a gasoline/or diesel generator supplied off of the main fuel line. I drove the Sprinter 2500 and 3500 and was not that impressed with the handling. I had a friend Saturday suggest going with a gasoline Ford Transit with a build from Sportsmobile. I do not know anything about Sportsmobile. Looked at their website and gave them a call. Pretty snooty group of folks. Only want to do an initial contact via a web form and not in person. They also pointed out that they have a 14 month wait list. That is ridiculous. A whole new model year comes and your build is based on the previous year. No way. This RV purchase idea is getting way too difficult.
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You keep believing every mechanic you will never make a decision.
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You keep believing every mechanic you will never make a decision.
Agree. I would be very interested in written confirmation from MB of the "information" you received about idle times.
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Just posting the information I got from a mechanic. Having owned Mercedes sedans I can assure you MB corporate will not come out with an official position on idles given the current media focus VW has had.
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Yup. This will be a very slow and drawn out decision.
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Thanks for the input. PleasureWay stands by gravity and RT stands by pump. Smart engineers at both companies.
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You have a lot of Die-Hard owners. Put em all together, shake em up, and decide what's best for you.

I happen to be a Die-Hard Ram guy, and am happy with what I have.

Promaster over Mercedes - Parts are reasonable, Maintenance is also reasonable. I find that Ram parts are a bit easier to find around the country.

Gas over Diesel - I get good mileage, Fuel is cheaper, no DEF, reasonable maintenance.

Gravity Black tank - I take my time emptying, it's not the worst thing in the world, and one less pump to maintain.

I don't idle. I run the Generator. Uses less fuel, and less engine wear than idling.

I baby my Ram. 8 months old now, and 47,000 miles. I keep it spotless, lubed, and drive it like an old lady.

That's my story. I'm sure more will chime in with their pros & cons. Add em all up, and pick out what you like.
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Just posting the information I got from a mechanic. Having owned Mercedes sedans I can assure you MB corporate will not come out with an official position on idles given the current media focus VW has had.
In another thread, I don't remember which one, I think it was Marko that had several different releases from MB about idling. IIRC none said no problem, but they did have varying versions of how long is OK before highway driving, and if high idle is needed or helps.
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I think it was Marko that had several different releases from MB about idling.
Well, as I say, I would love to see something definitive (or even credible) on this topic. There is a lot of chatter, but almost everything I have found is hearsay. The opinions of random MB mechanics are useless or worse (e.g., a lot of them apparently recommend fuel additives, which MB explicitly forbids). The only thing I know of in writing was a powerpoint presentation that some MB employee once gave at some automotive conference. If there were real issues, one would think that it would be in the Operator's Manual. It is not.

I am not saying that long idling is OK. What I am saying is that it is hard to disprove the theory that the claims going around are more than Internet urban myths. As an owner of a Sprinter with a second-engine alternator, I am very interested verifiable facts on this subject.
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