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Old 06-02-2017, 03:49 PM   #101
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If you have money down and a written price and contract, I would think they have to honor it. It is questionable, though whether you should push for that that, as Roadtrek can be disagreeable under the best of circumstances, and probably would be even worse with you if you had an issue.

I agree with BBQ that they probably got scared off as they don't like folks that actually want good product, and accurate information about it. Past history has shown that over and over.

Of course, they also could have found out you were posting here, and that put them off, as they truly don't like many of the people here because they have dared to question Roadtrek's often blatantly false claims, and question their quality.
Dealer contract has language about being subject to price changes by the factory...
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Old 06-02-2017, 03:51 PM   #102
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Well it turns out that despite the dealer confirming our order with RoadTrek and us putting down the deposit, RoadTrek has now decided the cost of the unit is actually considerably more than agreed. A RoadTrek rep said he had bad information and apologized to the dealer for passing that along. The RoadTrek website is still giving out erroneous "build your own" information, and so we're still in negotiation to see if we're going to purchase. At this point it looks like we'll likely be cancelling our order and going with another RV company but we'll see how the negotiations go.
Why would even waste your time with them anymore?
Until Hymer guts the current man in charge I would not even consider them.
I would recommend you look at a honorable company like PleasureWay.
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Old 06-02-2017, 03:53 PM   #103
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I think you dodged a bullet.
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Old 06-02-2017, 04:03 PM   #104
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Why would even waste your time with them anymore?
They make a nice product. We like the technology they offer. While there are plenty of stories of people having issues as would be somewhat expected, we also see plenty of people who like their product.

We'll see how it goes. We may switch to another RV company and just have it retrofitted with the technology we desire, but we'll give the company a chance and see what they say a little later today.
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Old 06-02-2017, 05:12 PM   #105
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Hymer is a volume producer.
They are good at making tried-and-true cookie cutter products.

I can see RT will adopt their business model.
They have already expanded their manufacturing facility from ONE building to two buildings, with two more factory buildings under construction that are scheduled to come online by the end of 2017. That's a lot of manufacturing capacity!!!

I predict RT will slowly back away from the high-end products that are rife with unmanageable components. Just ask yourself, how many warp-cores can they sell in a year? Maybe six? seven? It just does not make economic sense to devote so much manpower and resources to support such a small number of customers.


Again, just my wild guess.

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Hymer is a volume producer.
They are good at making tried-and-true cookie cutter products.

I can see RT will adopt their business model.
They have already expanded their manufacturing facility from ONE building to two buildings, with two more factory buildings under construction that are scheduled to come online by the end of 2017. That's a lot of manufacturing capacity!!!

I predict RT will slowly back away from the high-end products that are rife with unmanageable components. Just ask yourself, how many warp-cores can they sell in a year? Maybe six? seven? It just does not make economic sense to devote so much manpower and resources to support such a small number of customers.


Again, just my wild guess.

I wonder how much more manpower and such it takes to extend two lithium modules to eight lithium modules, or 470W of solar panels to 600W of solar? Warp Core is a little larger but it doesn't seem like a huge jump to me. Perhaps you think they will get rid of lithium and solar altogether?
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As I switched to the B-class 4 year ago I got exposed to, what I think is a new trend, 4-digit Ah Li battery banks. Since then I am struggling to understand the value. A good way to evaluate invention or innovation is by spelling out what specific problem has been solved. So, what has been solved with this huge battery banks. Cooking? is gas stove no longer good enough in the 21st. Century; a few hours AC? without a generator; heating not; water heating not really; LED really; TV really, PC and phones charging really, compressor fridge really; Keurig OK; so from where this Li 4-digit Ah hunger comes from?
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Old 06-02-2017, 05:38 PM   #108
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As I switched to the B-class 4 year ago I got exposed to, what I think is a new trend, 4-digit Ah Li battery banks. Since then I am struggling to understand the value. A good way to evaluate invention or innovation is by spelling out what specific problem has been solved. So, what has been solved with this huge battery banks. Cooking? is gas stove no longer good enough in the 21st. Century; a few hours AC? without a generator; heating – not; water heating – not really; LED – really; TV – really, PC and phones charging – really, compressor fridge – really; Keurig – OK; so from where this Li 4-digit Ah hunger comes from?
For us, we like the idea that driving the RV from Point A to Point B fills up the batteries (it doesn't fill up propane). Also, given conditions, you can stay out longer as solar charges your battery bank (but it won't fill your propane tank).

Lithium and solar provides more flexibility it seems to us. Plus energy produced as a byproduct from driving, or produced from solar, doesn't cost anything unlike propane.

It just provides more flexibility.
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Old 06-02-2017, 05:52 PM   #109
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I can tell you more,
but it will take you time to absorb.
Because the truth is difficult to digest.
I don't know if we're talking about buying an RV anymore, or now discussing being Caine in Kung Fu.
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I don't know if we're talking about buying an RV anymore, or now discussing being Caine in Kung Fu.

Don't get diss'd.

I am signing off.

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