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Old 08-02-2017, 05:14 PM   #431
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For all the Balmar fans, here is video of its display while idling and hooked up to this 1600 amp hour lithium rig.

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Be careful, though. That video is NOT of the Balmar MC-614. You can tell because the 614 is potted and the shown device is not. The display looks similar, but it may or may not be identical.
The manual/pamphlet they have that apparently came with the unit today in the FedEx says it's a MC-614.
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Old 08-02-2017, 05:33 PM   #432
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The manual/pamphlet they have that apparently came with the unit today in the FedEx says it's a MC-614.

I googled it. there appears to be more than one mc-614

some seem to have letters after them.

One is called marine also.

they may be different looking
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Old 08-02-2017, 05:38 PM   #433
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Hmmm. Perhaps the one in the video IS potted, but the potting is transparent. Mine is not:

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Default Wow, what a saga.

It is a scandalous saga, troubleshooting by sparking, no troubleshooting tree, fixing by parts replacement, if this would be my case I would run and run fast.

If there is no troubleshooting guide, at least an electrical schematic could lead any capable person to diagnosis. Lithium batteries are not a bleeding edge technology anymore but it can be made at the bleeding edge level if not design properly for the full product lifecycle from inception, design, manufacturing, maintenance, troubleshooting and disposal.

I don’t know if RT issues are lack of engineering or someone think they have more IP than they truly have. Hopefully this thread will gain some visibility by Hymer and contribute to a complete RT management shakeout from top down but primarily on the top.
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It is an scandalous saga, troubleshooting by sparking, no troubleshooting tree, fixing by parts replacement, if this would be my case I would run and run fast.

If there is no troubleshooting guide, at least an electrical schematic could lead any capable person to diagnosis. Lithium batteries are not a bleeding edge technology anymore but it can be made at the bleeding edge level if not design properly for the full product lifecycle from inception, design, manufacturing, maintenance, troubleshooting and disposal.

I donít know if RT issues are lack of engineering or someone think they have more IP than they truly have. Hopefully this thread will gain some visibility by Hymer and contribute to a complete RT management shakeout from top down but primarily on the top.
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It is an scandalous saga, troubleshooting by sparking, no troubleshooting tree, fixing by parts replacement, if this would be my case I would run and run fast.
Reading this, my thoughts instantly went to how much trouble (time, money, and inconvenience) they'll have in a few years when it comes time to make repairs to the electrical system.

I still think upgrading a basic B is the most reliable and cost effective way to get the all-electric B experience a lot of us want.
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It is an scandalous saga, troubleshooting by sparking, no troubleshooting tree, fixing by parts replacement, if this would be my case I would run and run fast.

If there is no troubleshooting guide, at least an electrical schematic could lead any capable person to diagnosis. Lithium batteries are not a bleeding edge technology anymore but it can be made at the bleeding edge level if not design properly for the full product lifecycle from inception, design, manufacturing, maintenance, troubleshooting and disposal.

I donít know if RT issues are lack of engineering or someone think they have more IP than they truly have. Hopefully this thread will gain some visibility by Hymer and contribute to a complete RT management shakeout from top down but primarily on the top.
I totally agree, and would add their apparent dismal support and/or training for the dealer techs. How can it be possible that the tech doesn't know how to check if an alternator is sending current to the batteries? A 30 second Google search can teach you that, but this poor guy is trying to troubleshoot problems with a complex system with no documentation, and likely no decent help from Roadtrek.

When many of us complain of the lack of monitoring and diagnostics in the Roadtrek systems, we are often told that "most" folks wouldn't know how, or want, to use them, which may or may not be true. But, having those items in place would severely shorten the problems for the techs that have to fix these things. I would guess essentially every manufacturer of electrical stuff of this complexity, except Roadtrek, has a method to see performance or faults. It seems bizarre that the microwave in a Roadtrek has more diagnostics than the much more complicated power system.

I think Hymer has somehow fallen for the Roadtrek historical pattern of sending out bad stuff, with plans to fix it at the dealer, so it is out of the factory and paid for quickly. 50 years ago the the auto manufacturers did the same thing, but the Japanese quickly showed them it was a very flawed business model.
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I wonder how much more manpower and such it takes to extend two lithium modules to eight lithium modules, or 470W of solar panels to 600W of solar? Warp Core is a little larger but it doesn't seem like a huge jump to me. Perhaps you think they will get rid of lithium and solar altogether?
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If there is no troubleshooting guide, at least an electrical schematic could lead any capable person to diagnosis.
The Balmar manual has a fairly thorough troubleshooting guide. That might have been a good place for them to have started.

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No need for you to drag up an old post and then eat crow simply because it turns out I haven't had any issues at all with Warp Core or solar. It's early, you might turn out to be right in the future.

Unless your position now is that refrigerators and alternators are "new fangled technology" that is untried and untested, of course.
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