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Old 08-13-2016, 02:23 AM   #11
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I have a 2015 Travato 59G and am very satisfied. The Dodge Ram 3500 with the gas engine is very powerful and handles like a minivan. I get between 15 and 16 mpg which is important if you are going to be moving every day or so. It will also go 80 mph all day long.
The interior is pretty standard as far as the quality of materials etc. The big difference is service. Winnebago is very supportive if it's dealers and provides wiring, plumbing, etc. diagrams to facilitate repairs. One dealer told me that this is not the case with some dealers and repairs can be expensive and time consuming.
I just did about 8k miles and 10 states and am ready to head out again.
The only ad-on I am considering is a 2000W power inverter so I can have power without running the generator.
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Old 08-13-2016, 07:42 PM   #12
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Another Travato G owner here.
Mine has been exceptional. The double mirror arrangement makes the entire sides of the van and lanes visible when properly adjusted. I have yet to fill up all the storage spaces.. Floorplans, of course are highly subjective, but I think you're definitely looking at the right chassis.
I don't have anything bad to say about the RT or PW, but I feel you get a LOT more bang for your buck with the Winnebago. Personally, I would still be concerned about the engineering if you were interested in RT's high tec versions. The forums are still littered with complaints of non functioning units. For the amount of money you are prepared to spend, it would definitely be worth your time to experience all of the candidates first hand..

I'd be curious to read the review you mentioned of someone who "HATE(s) their Winnebago" (IF it was a Travato).
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Old 10-23-2016, 11:56 AM   #13
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Two months since the last posting on this thread, so I'm hoping to "revive" it. Any further comparisons between the new Zion and the new Lexor TS? When comparably equipped (solar, lithium ion, etc) the PW seems to cost a bit more but also seems a bit more luxurious. I've seen reports that the RT technology hasn't gotten all the bugs out of it yet, but I haven't heard similar critiques of PW. Anxious to hear more news from those who have compared the two or (even better) who have bought one or the other after comparo tests. BTW, I sure wish there was the equivalent of a Car & Driver magazine to do such tests on Class B's. [I realize the market is too small for a print mag, but maybe an online version?]
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Old 10-23-2016, 01:54 PM   #14
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Two months since the last posting on this thread, so I'm hoping to "revive" it. Any further comparisons between the new Zion and the new Lexor TS? When comparably equipped (solar, lithium ion, etc) the PW seems to cost a bit more but also seems a bit more luxurious. I've seen reports that the RT technology hasn't gotten all the bugs out of it yet, but I haven't heard similar critiques of PW. Anxious to hear more news from those who have compared the two or (even better) who have bought one or the other after comparo tests. BTW, I sure wish there was the equivalent of a Car & Driver magazine to do such tests on Class B's. [I realize the market is too small for a print mag, but maybe an online version?]
The best place to get info from a lot of Zion owners is the Roadtrek & Hymer Owners Group on Facebook.
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The best place to get info from a lot of Zion owners is the Roadtrek & Hymer Owners Group on Facebook.
Yes, I've been there, and frankly got spooked by the number of quality complaints by Zion owners.

Then I wondered if this was just a sounding board and if the actual "failure" rate of the high-tech stuff on the Zions was perhaps much lower than I was imagining.

I can't get on the equivalent PW Facebook page, as one must be an owner to be accepted there. So maybe ignorance is why I currently imagine that PW has better quality than RT?
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Old 10-23-2016, 02:39 PM   #16
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Yes, I've been there, and frankly got spooked by the number of quality complaints by Zion owners.

Then I wondered if this was just a sounding board and if the actual "failure" rate of the high-tech stuff on the Zions was perhaps much lower than I was imagining.

I can't get on the equivalent PW Facebook page, as one must be an owner to be accepted there. So maybe ignorance is why I currently imagine that PW has better quality than RT?
Yes, as with any Internet forum or group that allows open discussion of issues you get a very strong bias towards problems and issues since people with problems looking for help or empathy post more often than people who have no major issues, just the way it is.

And while the owners group has a lot of Zion owners, it still represents a small percentage of actual owners.

There are still some issues with the new technology on new vans but not many any more. Roadtrek has also gotten a lot more focus and resources of customer support since the Hymer acquisition. There seem to be less vans delivered these days with problems found at delivery.

PW doesn't have the new technology to the level Roadtrek does and in any case their quality has been consistently better overall than Roadtrek in recent years. With the Hymer ownership the focus on improving quality is there and the fact that management admits that this is taking place is a major step forward. People who have recently taken factory tours have observed that things seem more organized and structured than in the past.

But, in the end, each customer is different in terms of how they decide what to buy. Get all the info you can so the decision is based on actual owner experience vs opinion from non owners.
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Hi guys,

I'm yet another pre-owner looking at the Promaster-based class Bs. My wife and I went to Hershey and sat in a lot of them, though we weren't sure if we wanted a B, B+, or a C, at the time.

We were most favorably impressed by Lexor with its super-comfortable sofa and open airy feel. The big bathroom with a window was a plus. All the fixtures seemed solid. I noticed that in addition to the changes mentioned in their video, for 2017, they replaced the Girard water heater with the Truma AquaGo. By bringing the battery inside, I'm guessing that the spare tire is no longer standard.

We liked Zion too, but all the build-quality horror stories have turned us off, and it feels more claustrophobic than Lexor. We like the price of the Travato, but have to rule out the G because of the rear bed (too small for us), and the K because it only has 2 seatbelts. If Hymer Aktiv had a longer model that allows N-S sleeping, it could be a contender, but transverse arrangement has disqualified it for now, which is too bad, because I kind of like the cassette toilet. I find Safaricondo XL Flex interesting, but I don't think I want to do a factory-direct purchase.

Hey NorthPotomac, I live in Gaithersburg, so we are neighbors

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Hi guys,

I'm yet another pre-owner looking at the Promaster-based class Bs. My wife and I went to Hershey and sat in a lot of them, though we weren't sure if we wanted a B, B+, or a C, at the time.

We were most favorably impressed by Lexor with its super-comfortable sofa and open airy feel. The big bathroom with a window was a plus. All the fixtures seemed solid. I noticed that in addition to the changes mentioned in their video, for 2017, they replaced the Girard water heater with the Truma AquaGo. By bringing the battery inside, I'm guessing that the spare tire is no longer standard.

We liked Zion too, but all the build-quality horror stories have turned us off, and it feels more claustrophobic than Lexor. We like the price of the Travato, but have to rule out the G because of the rear bed (too small for us), and the K because it only has 2 seatbelts. If Hymer Aktiv had a longer model that allows N-S sleeping, it could be a contender, but transverse arrangement has disqualified it for now, which is too bad, because I kind of like the cassette toilet. I find Safaricondo XL Flex interesting, but I don't think I want to do a factory-direct purchase.

Hey NorthPotomac, I live in Gaithersburg, so we are neighbors

Cheers,

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You may not want to wait for it but there is a Hymer Aktiv 2.0 coming on the longer Promaster that may well have N-S sleeping...
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You may not want to wait for it but there is a Hymer Aktiv 2.0 coming on the longer Promaster that may well have N-S sleeping...
I've been following that news/rumor with interest. I just hope they don't over-zionize it.
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