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Old 04-30-2016, 03:17 PM   #11
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Somewhere in the back of my brain, amidst the ever growing collection of neurological dust bunnies, I remembered that in 2014-2015, Leisure Travel Vans made a Mercedes Benz Class B that they called the "Free Spirit TE."
Glad you had your coffee today because I had totally forgotten about this model. Unfortunately you might as well call it the "Free Spirit Unicorn" because I've never seen the mythical beast. None listed for sale on any of the usual websites. But YES! If one could be had for a reasonable price this is exactly what we're looking for. I could be wrong, but this is the only 4 captain chair model I can recall with a pax/camp side galley (which I prefer). I can't imagine LTV sold many of these... I get the market they were trying to tap, but I just don't see most folks contemplating what I am.

Now that I too have dusted off my memory, I recall that my dad actually was interested in this model a few years back. He was thinking it would be great to haul his retired golf buddies to the course/clubhouse and the myriad other activities they do to pass time... all in the luxury of something much more functional than the standard Lexus/BMW everyone seems to have. Unfortunately the gated golf community he lives in said "no way" to letting him have it in the driveway. Cars stored in the driveway are OK but not "campers." In today's day and age, I bet many folks in the target market ran into that issue... which is why you simply don't see many of these on the road. Ironically, my dad ended up buying a Chrysler Town and Country minivan and all his golf buddies prefer to ride with him in the van than in their own Mercedes S Classes or BMW X5s. Go figure.
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Old 04-30-2016, 06:48 PM   #12
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The ERAs are all on 24 foot Sprinters which are more difficult to park. The newer Airstream Interstates are also only now on the long Sprinters. I think only Roadtrek continues to offer a B-van in 22 foot Sprinter that seats seven. In the used market you would have choices of Roadtrek, LTV, GW and Airstream in 22 foot Sprinters with seating you want.
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Old 04-30-2016, 07:27 PM   #13
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The Free Spirit TE may just be a ghost spirit. I've been unable to find one online anywhere. Perhaps if you wrote to Leisure Travel Vans on their website, they might have an inkling where one might be. If not, they could probably steer you towards the largest dealer of used LTV products and then you could ask them to let you know when they get one.

Between the TE and the Era 70X, I also would prefer the TE. LTV has a better reputation for quality than Winnebago (at least that's what I've heard) and the galley on the passenger side makes more sense to me, too. The TE was also shorter than the Era 70X. The Era 70X is built on the extended Sprinter chassis, while the TE was built on the medium size chassis. The TE would therefore be easier to park.

I managed to find a video of the 2016 Era 70X (not the 2016.5) and saw what you meant about the rear space. There's some space beneath the sofa but it looks like the back of the sofa is almost right up against the door.

Also, in looking at various Era 70X videos online, I realized that the quickest way to tell the difference between the 2016 and the 2016.5 is to look for cabinet door handles. The newer one doesn't have them, but both may be labeled "2016."
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Old 04-30-2016, 08:37 PM   #14
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For those who have driven both, how much harder is a 24' Sprinter to park than a 22'? Aside from the obvious (duh, it's about 2 feet longer), have people found that the extra 2 feet doesn't really make a difference or that 2 more feet is exactly the right amount more to turn an easy park job into a nightmare? I imagine it could go either way.

I have a 19.5 foot long Ford F-150 that I have no problems parking most of the time (except in parts of NYC where it's a pain). Something on the long Sprinter chassis is going to be a good 4+ feet longer, which really could make a big difference. I was thinking that the trick would be finding a spot near a curb (typically back of the lot) or something where you could back in and put most of the overhang out of the parking lot over grass.

Also, interestingly I find that the hassle with the F-150 is usually the width. I believe the Sprinters are a good 6 inches narrower. I know I'm going to eventually have to get out there and test drive all these things, but I'm interested in some real world experience from Forum members (because dealers will inevitably talk you into thinking parking anything will be easy).
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I've driven both. I wouldn't say that the extra length makes it much HARDER to park. It is just that there are many situations (typically involving shallow parking spaces perpendicular to the traffic) in which you can squeak by with a 22' but in which a 24' would just stick out too much.

You are correct that width is not an issue with Sprinters.
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I've driven both. I wouldn't say that the extra length makes it much HARDER to park. It is just that there are many situations (typically involving shallow parking spaces perpendicular to the traffic) in which you can squeak by with a 22' but in which a 24' would just stick out too much.

You are correct that width is not an issue with Sprinters.
I've also driven both and agree with avanti - the 24 foot model is just as easy to drive, but you typically need a double depth parking spot due to its length. Sometimes they are more difficult to find. I always look for the double length pull through spots on the outer edges of shopping areas. When I parallel park on the street it takes more than a single space. I look for ones on either end that give enough room but don't take two spots.

On edit - I should add the bigger problem will be the height, since you are used to a mini-van or a pickup truck. I've gotten into several spots over the last three years where I had to back out of an area due to my nearly 10 foot height. No more typical parking garages if you drive a B-van conversion, unless it's a pop top like Sportsmobile builds.
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Old 05-01-2016, 05:10 AM   #17
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Thumbs up Coachman Galleria

I'm surprised that nobody brought up the Coachman Galleria. It looks really nice and has the Truma Combi heating system, available solar charging, beautiful interior and four different floorplans. It's probably the highest quality motorhome that Coachman builds. The street price seems to be hovering under $95k.

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Old 05-01-2016, 01:48 PM   #18
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I'm surprised that nobody brought up the Coachman Galleria.
Agreed! I definitely need to check these out. They look really nice (best source of info thus far has been the FitRV videos since the Coachmen website isn't very detailed). The only trouble with these is that there doesn't seem to be much of an active owner community. I haven't found a lot of user feedback (i.e. pros/cons and ownership experience) to use as a gauge. Maybe someone on this forum has one?

I checked out the few Galleria threads on here and it looks like one or two folks may actually have them. I'd love to hear feedback. Maybe I'll post my questions over in the Galleria thread. Thanks!
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I've never seen a Coachmen on the road that I can remember. They aren't represented by anyone in Minnesota where I live that I know of.

Generally it appears to be another floor plan clone of the Roadtreks with small refrigerator (most likely 12v compressor in this case) and microwave under a counter. To me that is bad design. The wardrobe and TV over the passenger side ottoman seat is awkward. The 2nd and 3rd seat and sofa don't have headrests if it is to be used as a passenger van.

It has very small tanks for an extended body Sprinter of 22 gal. fresh, 14 gal. grey and 11 gal. black.

It does have two 12v house batteries but it comes with a built in electric induction cooktop. That begs being plugged into shore power most of the time.

In effect, for this B to be functional the company looks at it as if you are going to visit full hookup campgrounds. That probably stems from the big motorhome and trailer mentality.

There is and isn't a lack of information. They seem to carefully conceal the details in their presentation. They don't seem to have anything "proprietary" to hide like Roadtrek does with its Etrek stuff. For example, where are the two batteries located? Any outside storage compartments? Four captain's seats but are they convertible for sleeping?

This is the one that does have well made real wood cabinetry with dovetail wood drawer construction. Other than that, it doesn't seem to be keeping up with the competition to differentiate itself as a must have.
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The one thing that stood out when I was in a Galleria at a local RV show was how narrow the aisle is, seemed much less width than our Roadtrek RS Adventurous, but it only takes a few inches there to make a big difference.
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