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Old 09-25-2018, 01:40 PM   #41
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The North American ULSD diesel standard is called Diesel #2. It is the only highway diesel allowed in the US and Canada. Itís at every gas station and truck stop in the US. It was required in the US beginning around 2010.

There is a different issue related to the biodiesel percent. 5% or less does not have to be labeled. Above 5% it is supposed to be labeled. I have once in 5 years and 40k miles skipped a station to avoid the 20% biodiesel. And I only did this because I had filled up with 20% biodiesel the last time.

If you donít like the idea of a diesel, donít buy one. But the idea you canít get the right diesel if you do buy one is silly.
I have owned 3 diesel trucks but know little about diesel beyong their needs. However I have frequently seen postings from people with "B"'s who have had issues with diesel (maybe they were just ill informed. That said I am grateful to the person (who owned a diesel "B" and lives in San Francisco who suggested I take a good look at the "Mercedes Benz" service requirement before I bought a diesel as I might find it was not CONVENIENT from a service perspsective. As a result I bought a gas model, and from the stories I hear from people who live 2-3 hours away from a major center and the amount of time they must spend getting routine service done I am glad I did not buy diesel.
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Old 09-28-2018, 04:25 AM   #42
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You must not have been to Minnesota lately, where 20% biodiesel is required except in cold weather.


Youríre right. I havenít taken my RV to Minnesota. You must know that Minnesota is an outlier. https://www.afdc.energy.gov/laws/5452. But the rules say B20 when it is cold during the winter.

Look. If you donít want a diesel, donít buy one. Iím just saying I havenít had a problem out West. Nationally, more than half of fuel stations have diesel. https://www.dieselforum.org/diesel-drivers/fuel-locator
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Youríre right. I havenít taken my RV to Minnesota. You must know that Minnesota is an outlier. https://www.afdc.energy.gov/laws/5452. But the rules say B20 when it is cold during the winter.

Look. If you donít want a diesel, donít buy one. Iím just saying I havenít had a problem out West. Nationally, more than half of fuel stations have diesel. https://www.dieselforum.org/diesel-drivers/fuel-locator

I guess I don't understand what your position is. You made a big deal about never, ever, not being able to find lower than 20% biodiesel and pretty much chastised anyone who says that it may ever be an issue. When it gets pointed out that an entire state is 20% only, you just call it an outlier, and it doesn't count? You didn't put the "out west" qualifier in you original post, so how is anyone supposed to know that? There are a quite a few folks that show up here looking for good, accurate information, not information that is selectively edited to try to make a personal opinion true. Those trying to learn deserve the most accurate information available.


And the rules, as I mentioned earlier, say that B20 IS NOT required in the winter, not as you said IS required when it is cold in the winter.
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Old 09-29-2018, 06:04 AM   #44
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My position is that I have not had problems finding diesel with B5 or less in my travels. I clearly stated that this was out west in post #37.

In post #39, I said that I have once skipped a B20 station. So I went to the station across the street. But I have on a number of occasions used B20 with no obvious issues.

It is my understanding that Minnesota is the only state that requires B20 part of the year beginning this past May. More states will follow for the benefit of farmers and to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Maybe I should have used the word leader instead of outlier.

My apologies for getting the Minnesota B20 season backwards.
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Why are you Leary if sorinter because Mercedes maintenance cost, reliability IR something else?

Looking at used RT Agile SS 2014. Only 8K mikes. Asking 89K. Pricey?
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Why are you Leary if sorinter because Mercedes maintenance cost, reliability IR something else?

Looking at used RT Agile SS 2014. Only 8K mikes. Asking 89K. Pricey?
Over and above any issues that may of may not exist obtaining the correct diesel fuel from time to time, if you are near a major center where getting MB "approved" service in order to validate your warranty requirements, then owning a sprinter may not present any inconveniences. However if you are required to drive 2-3 hours and leave your vehicle for a couple of days in order to obtain service that satisfies your MB warranty requirements then you may want to reconsider diesel versus gas to save yoursrelf the PITA of obtaining routine service.
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Good Morning,

Here a pretty extensive video comparison of the Ascent and Agile. Reviewer is an Ascent owner but he's pretty objective with his comments/assessments.

http://youtu.be/snaUGYqAZns

Why is the Zion SRT not included in your list of potenials? Since I need a sub-20 foot coach, the Zion is #2 on my list behind the Ascent. Love the Ascent's floor plan but not sure if I want to deal with a diesel platform or the higher purchase price and extra cost of M/B parts and service.

Good luck in your search and keep us updated.

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I was going to ask same question, we looked at used Agile SS but not big on the Sprinter, Zion has a bigger fridge which I love. So thinking we might look into Zion with solar, Pleasure Way Ascent is very nice but very pricey, and I don't think warranty is transferable (?). Also having a diesel is not a 'must' for us so why pay the premium. But < 20 feet is a 'must'.
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