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Old 04-16-2018, 09:05 PM   #1
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Question 2019 Gas Sprinter - not much torque? 9 speed transmission

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here is a 20 minute video about the 2019 Sprinter..... a few details sprinkled in it.... you sort of have to watch it all to get the few details. It is not concise.

at about 8:30 they talk about engines coming to the USA for the 2019 model.

We would not want to buy Diesel - dont want to deal with DEF, and dont want to deal with different bio-diesel % worry.... also would like the ability to go into Mexico. (etc)

so assuming we buy the GAS 2019 sprinter.... is the torque they talk about kind of whimpy?

Gas comes with a 9 speed transmission, according to the lady in the video who works for Mercedes.



Discuss.

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so assuming we buy the GAS 2019 sprinter.... is the torque they talk about kind of whimpy?
The gas engine is listed as 140 KW/350 NM which works out to 187 HP and 258 ft-lb torque. Compared to the 6 cylinder diesel it's the same HP but less torque. It's about the same amount of torque as the Promaster V6, but the Promaster GVWR is almost 1700 pounds less than the Sprinter (9350 vs 11020).
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The gas engine is listed as 140 KW/350 NM which works out to 187 HP and 258 ft-lb torque. Compared to the 6 cylinder diesel it's the same HP but less torque. It's about the same amount of torque as the Promaster V6, but the Promaster GVWR is almost 1700 pounds less than the Sprinter (9350 vs 11020).
thanks.....

i should have mentioned... we'd be getting the 24' 3500 Sprinter.... so not a light vehicle! and we'd have beds / shower / gear in the back.



I know the 9 speed transmission would help.... but .... a bit worried.

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The other two engines listed were:

6 cylinder diesel
187 HP (140 KW)
325 ft-lb (440 NM)

4 cylinder diesel
161 HP (120 KW)
265 ft-lb (360 NM)
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The gas engine is listed as 140 KW/350 NM which works out to 187 HP and 258 ft-lb torque. Compared to the 6 cylinder diesel it's the same HP but less torque. It's about the same amount of torque as the Promaster V6, but the Promaster GVWR is almost 1700 pounds less than the Sprinter (9350 vs 11020).
The Promaster has 100 more horsepower, and about the same torque. That would seem to indicate a very low rpm engine, like the diesels that rarely would go over about 3500rpm. It will have some low end grunt, but likely would be pretty slow up a mountain.
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thanks.....

i should have mentioned... we'd be getting the 24' 3500 Sprinter.... so not a light vehicle! and we'd have beds / shower / gear in the back.



I know the 9 speed transmission would help.... but .... a bit worried.
I have a 2014 Sprinter RV with the OM651 I4/7-speed drivetrain. It's specs are:

163 PS (120 kW; 161 hp)@3800, 360 N⋅m (266 lbf⋅ft)@1400–2400

So, the new gas engine has more horsepower, insignificantly less torque, and two extra gears.

My rig drives like a dream. I am sure the new engines will even better. I wouldn't worry about it.
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I have a 2014 Sprinter RV with the OM651 I4/7-speed drivetrain. It's specs are:

163 PS (120 kW; 161 hp)@3800, 360 N⋅m (266 lbf⋅ft)@14002400

So, the new gas engine has more horsepower, insignificantly less torque, and two extra gears.

My rig drives like a dream. I am sure the new engines will even better. I wouldn't worry about it.
great news - thanks!

FWIIW - how long is your Sprinter? and do you have bed(s) shower etc?

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great news - thanks!

FWIIW - how long is your Sprinter? and do you have bed(s) shower etc?
Yes, it is a fully-equipped B-van, including four Group 31 batteries, an Onan genset, a large inverter, and a second engine alternator. It is 22 8. Weighs in at around 9500 lbs.
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At the Sprinter launch a few weeks ago,
they have emphasized the gas engine is an entry-level power plant.
ie their focus is still the diesel engine.
Whether they say that to protect their current market is yet to be seen. From all comments I have read in various forums, many people would buy a Sprinter if the gas engine is available. I am sure Mercedes Benz's marketing department is fully aware of this business opportunity.
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I think the video said it is the same engine as in the Metris but detuned to regular gas so it loses some power.

Anybody ever drive a Metris with one, if they are available?

Looks like the curb weight on a Metris is about 1/2 that of a fully loaded Sprinter.
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