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Old 05-12-2014, 01:59 AM   #21
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There was a Canadian couple from Calgary at Advanced Fest looking into buying from Advanced RV. They have been discussing that option on Facebook with the BEE Social Group.
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Old 05-12-2014, 02:12 AM   #22
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Good. Lots of oil money coming out of Calgary!

Looks like your new rig will be really high tech and obviate the problems Bers have with the usual limitations of one or two batteries, for example. We too dont like aircon and try to avoid using it. Looking forward to updates and pics as they are available,

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Roadtrek does have a dealer network-i'm sure they must have one in your vicinity
Very few dealers keep any in stock here. I would always want to visit the factory first and Winnipeg have two major manufacturers ie GWV(for now) and LTV. But buying Stateside might just be another option too--hadnt considered that seriously before.
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Congratulations!!

After the Advanced Fest, my wife said she thought you would pull the trigger. I suppose we will need to wait until next years B-rally to see it.
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Inquiring minds want to know---

What does Advanced RV say about idling the Sprinters?
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The idling time question.

At the Advanced Fest we had that conversation with the MB representative in the room. The MB guy says 3 hours and then you need to drive long enough to clean out the systems. Mike of Advanced RV says they know of people who go up to 10 hours.

Advanced would like to say that it is 10 hours per day. Which would imply you can park for an extended dry camp and charge the batteries 10 hours per day for multiple days. But, what it really means that one can idle the engine for a total of 3 to 10 hours, depending on who you are listening to, before you need to drive the van under load.

To put that in perspective. Advanced installs a second 12 volt alternator that provides the battery charging current. I was told that at high idle it can produce about 200 amps. They also said that running the air conditioner compressor draws about 150 amps from the batteries. So one can run the air conditioner compressor 1.33 hours for every hour the engine is running. If you start out with full batteries, you get to run the AC compressor from the energy that is stored in the batteries for another few hours.
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The idling time question.

At the Advanced Fest we had that conversation with the MB representative in the room. The MB guy says 3 hours and then you need to drive long enough to clean out the systems. Mike of Advanced RV says they know of people who go up to 10 hours.

Advanced would like to say that it is 10 hours per day. Which would imply you can park for an extended dry camp and charge the batteries 10 hours per day for multiple days. But, what it really means that one can idle the engine for a total of 3 to 10 hours, depending on who you are listening to, before you need to drive the van under load.

To put that in perspective. Advanced installs a second 12 volt alternator that provides the battery charging current. I was told that at high idle it can produce about 200 amps. They also said that running the air conditioner compressor draws about 150 amps from the batteries. So one can run the air conditioner compressor 1.33 hours for every hour the engine is running. If you start out with full batteries, you get to run the AC compressor from the energy that is stored in the batteries for another few hours.
Thanks, Fred, that is very interesting. The MB line is similar to what we heard before from them, but on the high end. Advanced is pretty high. I don't know if the fact that folks are successfully doing it is relevant or not. This could easily be one of the those cumulative things, where each too long cycle adds a little more to the plugging until it is too much. Or stated otherways, after 3 hours you get 100% of the crud out, after 10 hours you get 95% out, or something like that. The ones running that long would not see the problem for quite some time, if that is the case.
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I am very happy for you. Advanced RV seem to make outstanding RVs. Would this be a similar layout to what you now have? I note you are having it custom made to your own liking which is an advantage of Advanced RV. No doubt you will have a lot more battery or solar power for dry camping and so on.

We are pretty much committed to buying here in Canada as the Canada/US dollar rate is a problem for us. I am going to visit GWV in WInnipeg and LTV in Winkler, Manitoba early this June while visiting my siblings and their entourage in Winnipeg.

Look forward to your updates.

Best regards,

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The difference is currently around 9% between us and them. A unit selling for C$100,000 here would be cheaper in the US at US$90,000 or less. I think you could probably find a US dealer or seller that would give you at least that much of a break or more on an identical unit to make a sale, and the import process isn't that difficult. It took us less than a month to complete the importation of a trailer purchased in the US last year and we saved about 30% over the best price we could find in Canada. The few Canadian RV dealers I've spoken to about price over the last 6 years, don't seem as flexible and ready to deal, as their American counterparts. US MSRP and list prices usually start lower than here, too. I think they know most Canadians won't try cross border shopping, and so they don't think they need to worry about it.
I know it's not for everyone, but we always compare our prices to theirs when we're looking at a big ticket purchase, because the savings can be on the same scale.
Just food for thought. You're close to Minnesota? Maybe Davydd knows where the deals are?
Actually, Mike, you make good points. I havent considered a US purchase before because I was under the impression that US models were not compliant for Canadian specs & I might have trouble registering here, but people are doing it ok. I was under the impression that a B made in Canada for US destination is different to meet US specs and the Canadian models for sale here are not the same. Is that correct?

I have noted way better asking prices from many US dealers which I could reach by plane or car from Vancouver,BC.
Thanks your info and any further extrapolation would be appreciated.
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As far as I know, US and Canadian safety standards are pretty much the same, and in some cases the US standards exceed Canadian ones. Many US RV dealers know the ins and outs of exporting a motorhome to Canada, and are probably the best choice to deal with, because they can help with the logistics and paperwork. We dealt with one such US dealer in Michigan and they were great to work with.
It's been over a year, and ours was a travel trailer, but many of the rules for importation can be found at the Registrar of Imported Vehicles and the Transport Canada websites, including a somewhat convoluted table which defines what can be imported and what may need modifications. I think motorhomes are different from trailers and fivers, but I can't recall the specifics. Have a look at the RIV website to get started.
https://www.riv.ca/VehicleAdmissibility.aspx
The RIV site has an "importation checklist" that can be of assistance before you get started to give you an idea of what they do and what you do and where and when. It's a bit of a read, but if you can save thousands of dollars for a few hours or days of planning, and a bit of legwork, I think it's worth it.
I believe for motorhomes (including class B vans) that after you complete the paperwork in the US, pay for it, get title, recall notice waiver, and other ownership related certificates, you have 72 hours to return to Canada with it at a preselected port of entry (you choose that in advance), and you have to go through US Customs to be checked for I'm not sure what, and Canada customs where they convert the price from US$ to C$ and you pay the GST on that number (paying the GST gives you a temporary plate equivalent so you can drive it to the inspection and get it home, and so on). Then there is an inspection by someone who confirms that what you said you bought is what you have, and then you go to get plates and then pay whatever PST you will have to pay. Since you'd pay PST/GST or HST if you bought in Canada anyway, might as well pay it on a lower starting price? That's how we saw it. We had ours delivered to a location just across the border, where we completed the purchase and took possession and then returned to Canada. I'm not sure, but I think you can drive yours back, but the US dealer will explain your options there. Your Canadian insurance company will usually give you temporary coverage - they'll need a description of the unit, total C$ cost, and the VIN - to get it home and inspected and the rest.
Anyway, see if it makes any sense to you, and you can also google US dealers that export to Canada to look for help getting started, and to see what they have for pricing on what they sell. They usually post it on their websites as "Canadian Customers Welcome" or something like that. I think most of them do it, because it's not that hard, and they like our money, too>
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The idling time question.

At the Advanced Fest we had that conversation with the MB representative in the room. The MB guy says 3 hours and then you need to drive long enough to clean out the systems. Mike of Advanced RV says they know of people who go up to 10 hours.

Advanced would like to say that it is 10 hours per day. Which would imply you can park for an extended dry camp and charge the batteries 10 hours per day for multiple days. But, what it really means that one can idle the engine for a total of 3 to 10 hours, depending on who you are listening to, before you need to drive the van under load.

To put that in perspective. Advanced installs a second 12 volt alternator that provides the battery charging current. I was told that at high idle it can produce about 200 amps. They also said that running the air conditioner compressor draws about 150 amps from the batteries. So one can run the air conditioner compressor 1.33 hours for every hour the engine is running. If you start out with full batteries, you get to run the AC compressor from the energy that is stored in the batteries for another few hours.
Thanks, Fred, that is very interesting. The MB line is similar to what we heard before from them, but on the high end. Advanced is pretty high. I don't know if the fact that folks are successfully doing it is relevant or not. This could easily be one of the those cumulative things, where each too long cycle adds a little more to the plugging until it is too much. Or stated otherways, after 3 hours you get 100% of the crud out, after 10 hours you get 95% out, or something like that. The ones running that long would not see the problem for quite some time, if that is the case.
In addition to what Fred said, driving under load meant at least 40 minutes of driving. That was the consensus.
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Old 05-13-2014, 12:38 AM   #30
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40 minutes is a hefty amount of driving (highway speed I assume if the say under load) for possibly as little as 3 hours of charging. Not a problem if you move every day or two, but could be a pain if you wanted to just plant yourself for a while. IIRC, the earlier load driven time we had heard about was more like 20 minutes?
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