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Old 06-20-2018, 01:03 AM   #21
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The Sprinters come in three GVWR's 8550, 9900 and 11030, depending on model.

Roadtrek Adventurous RS1 - your Sprinter likely has a GVWR of 11,030 lbs. Have you weighed your van? It probably weighs over 9,500 lbs empty. So you can carry about 1,500 lbs, not 3,000.


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Take a look at this picture.... Weight of cargo and passengers is 2,691....
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Old 06-20-2018, 02:05 AM   #22
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Take a look at this picture.... Weight of cargo and passengers is 2,691....
The 2,691 is the out-of-factory-door figure.
Probably the empty weight?


For real world application,
you need to weigh your RV.
Go to a truck weigh station; it only costs ~$17.

You should weigh it with full water, empty gray/black tanks, full diesel, full propane, but no food, clothing etc.,

Your REAL OCCC = GVWR - RV weight.
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The 2,691 is the out-of-factory-door figure.
Probably the empty weight?


For real world application,
you need to weigh your RV.
Go to a truck weigh station; it only costs ~$17.

You should weigh it with full water, empty gray/black tanks, full diesel, full propane, but no food, clothing etc.,

Your REAL OCCC = GVWR - RV weight.
OK... I see the statement dealer installed options may reduce the overall carry weight... HOWEVER, it's interesting that it's designed to carry up to 7 passengers...at an average of 200 pounds per person that would be 1,400 pounds ...

Mike, honestly, this is in reality NOT a major issue for me...WHY?? My wife and I primarily use the vehicle ourselves... maybe we carry two people occasionally... On long trips, it's just the two of us plus clothes, gear, and food.....I can assure you were never going to be over the limit....... not possible.... even if I added our bicycles....

It's my understanding that the vehicle can in addition tow up to 5,000 pounds.... but, I hate towing..and will probably NEVER do that...

So, at 15,250 total weight... again.. never going to happen.....

If it's convenient..yeah, I could get it weighed....I know a place nearby...and the price you stated is very reasonable indeed...
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Take a look at this picture.... Weight of cargo and passengers is 2,691....

OCCC is an RV Industry marketing game even though it is defined by NHTSA. They don't tell you how they calculated it. It all depends on what UVW (Unloaded Vehicle Weight) they use. UVW is defined by RVIA but they have no enforcement power and manufactures can do as they please.

Here are the RV weight definitions.

https://rvsafety.com/weighing/weighing-glossary

Getting your van weighed is the only truth. Overweight RVs are an industry disaster. If you have a serious accident and the insurance or opposing lawyers find out you are over weight it will be real trouble.


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Default I appreciate what you are saying, but.... really...??

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OCCC is an RV Industry marketing game even though it is defined by NHTSA. They don't tell you how they calculated it. It all depends on what UVW (Unloaded Vehicle Weight) they use. UVW is defined by RVIA but they have no enforcement power and manufactures can do as they please.

Here are the RV weight definitions.

https://rvsafety.com/weighing/weighing-glossary

Getting your van weighed is the only truth. Overweight RVs are an industry disaster. If you have a serious accident and the insurance or opposing lawyers find out you are over weight it will be real trouble.


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Mike, you seriously think I could be overloaded with two people.... two bicycles, haven't even done that yet, food and clothes..... plus some electronics....????

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OK... I see the statement dealer installed options may reduce the overall carry weight... HOWEVER, it's interesting that it's designed to carry up to 7 passengers...at an average of 200 pounds per person that would be 1,400 pounds ...



Mike, honestly, this is in reality NOT a major issue for me...WHY?? My wife and I primarily use the vehicle ourselves... maybe we carry two people occasionally... On long trips, it's just the two of us plus clothes, gear, and food.....I can assure you were never going to be over the limit....... not possible.... even if I added our bicycles....



It's my understanding that the vehicle can in addition tow up to 5,000 pounds.... but, I hate towing..and will probably NEVER do that...



So, at 15,250 total weight... again.. never going to happen.....



If it's convenient..yeah, I could get it weighed....I know a place nearby...and the price you stated is very reasonable indeed...

I should have read your post before my last reply. You would be surprised how close the GVWR you might be. Mine is also a seven passenger van. I've had mine weighed three times now. Mostly because I've added 400W of solar panels, more batteries and larger inverter. But I've also removed stuff in Airstream base line.

My last weighing was at the recent FMCA Perry rally by RVSEF. They used individual calibrated scales under each wheel on a flat airport ramp, very accurate. With wife and I plus our normal gear and food for a month on the road I was 155 lbs under GVWR. That was with full fuel, water and LP.

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Mike, you seriously think I could be overloaded with two people.... two bicycles, haven't even done that yet, food and clothes..... plus some electronics....????



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I have no idea - but then neither do you until you get it weighed. It's just too bad that RVIA doesn't require the RV manufactures to weigh each unit they sell exactly as sold.

The good news is the Sprinter dually has the highest GVWR of any available van and the new model for 2019 will have increase GVWR to 12,125 lbs.

https://www.mbvans.com/sprinter/comm...s/new-sprinter


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Default Mike, I appreciate your sending me the link for the 2019....

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I have no idea - but then neither do you until you get it weighed. It's just too bad that RVIA doesn't require the RV manufactures to weigh each unit they sell exactly as sold.

The good news is the Sprinter dually has the highest GVWR of any available van and the new model for 2019 will have increase GVWR to 12,125 lbs.

https://www.mbvans.com/sprinter/comm...s/new-sprinter


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Thanks.. but, I probably won't be able to consider this...
At some point... yes, I'll stop and get the rig weighed...

I don't have extra solar panels.. just one 160 watt... and the standard inverter...
Sounds like you have done a few more custom things to your rig.....

I did have the new KONI FSD shocks installed, and the upgraded Roadmaster Sway Bar..and the Super Steer Trac Bar... that did add some additional weight...

Otherwise it's all standard stuff... one thing that did catch my attention is ...the vehicle has this sticker from Roadtrek...and I presume you have one from Airstream..? Are you saying that they are just out right lying about these numbers?? Just asking because that would be very disingenuous... and meant to confuse people who are trying to do the right thing..... what's the point of even having the sticker with these numbers if they are so WRONG???

You said that after you weighed everything...you were maybe 150 pounds under the acceptable weight... that makes those stickers look foolish.... don't you think?

Now, is it possible that your published numbers on the Airstream are significantly different than the Roadtrek??

The only thing I have not done yet is add on the bicycle rack and bicycles...the rack weighs 60 pounds, and the two bikes are another 65-70 pounds..so, by my estimation.. I would be extremely close to the upper end of the weight capacity if I followed exactly what you were telling me.....

I certainly don't like the sound of that.... let me know if I got this wrong??? Thank you.

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OK... I see the statement dealer installed options may reduce the overall carry weight... HOWEVER, it's interesting that it's designed to carry up to 7 passengers...at an average of 200 pounds per person that would be 1,400 pounds ...

...

That's not a marketing gimmick.
That's flexibility for you to do what you want.
eg... You can take more people, but less water... or remove the microwave


eg.
A large truck with a small engine?
Yeah... that's for flower delivery, not lumber delivery.

eg2.
Ask any private plane owner, they will tell you their small private planes...
Many have 4 seats. But with full fuel and/or high temp and/or high altitude, they can only carry 2 people and a puke bag.

YMMV

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OK... I see...

Mike, honestly, this is in reality NOT a major issue for me...WHY?? My wife and I primarily use the vehicle ourselves... maybe we carry two people occasionally... On long trips, it's just the two of us plus clothes, gear, and food.....I can assure you were never going to be over the limit....... not possible.... even if I added our bicycles....

...

Many people are surprised when they weighed their RV.

Can't wait to see yours


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