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Old 08-10-2018, 02:33 PM   #11
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I read a web site a few years ago about how to live in an RV in winter and be able to use the plumbing (they were in a campground in Canada). These instructions work if you're camping in one spot and not traveling around. They involved putting a skirt around the RV like the ones used on mobile homes. They used heat tape and installed 40 watt light bulbs underneath the RV to keep the pipes and tanks from freezing. I think there were other things they did as well to help insulate the underside of the vehicle, and these instructions were geared more for a Class A or C. I don't remember now, but I'm assuming the RV would be hooked up to the sewage outlet, since this system wouldn't work very long if you couldn't dump your tanks.
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Why are folks commenting that have outside plumbing ? He specifically says that his class b has inside plumbing. I have a 1987 Coachman class b with all inside plumbing and it is fine for weeks at a time in Michigan. However it is insulated like **** like most class B's. I cover the windows with insulation and/or windshield sun shades of the bubble type and I hang a barrier behind the front seats as well as cover all the front windows.
Also, set up a second plug so that u can use the grill tanks of propane or even a 100 pounder so u don't have to keep uncovering to go get more propane.
Subzero, I will also crack a window and run the stove but a buddy heater works great too. However if you don't have windows covered good u will get tons of condensation.
A 12 volt mattress pad that truckers use is a GREAT addition to any cold camping.
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Why are folks commenting that have outside plumbing ? He specifically says that his class b has inside plumbing. I have a 1987 Coachman class b with all inside plumbing and it is fine for weeks at a time in Michigan. However it is insulated like **** like most class B's. I cover the windows with insulation and/or windshield sun shades of the bubble type and I hang a barrier behind the front seats as well as cover all the front windows.
Also, set up a second plug so that u can use the grill tanks of propane or even a 100 pounder so u don't have to keep uncovering to go get more propane.
Subzero, I will also crack a window and run the stove but a buddy heater works great too. However if you don't have windows covered good u will get tons of condensation.
A 12 volt mattress pad that truckers use is a GREAT addition to any cold camping.
Just curious - how do you deal with emptying your tanks?
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Inassume you mean the black and gray water.
The easiest way to empty them is not to fill them !! Lol

You can just leave the gray water line open to drain on the ground.
However, they make the little totes for emptying them.
Also, you can use double Walmart bags to **** and just toss them and then leave the black water open as well after you rinse it out well with bleach and water. Just empty and then dump a half gallon or gallon of bleach and 3 or 4 gallons of water and drive it for a day or two and then empty again.
Then you can just let urine run on the ground.
Urine is generally sterile.unless younhave some.strange disease.
I'm assuming that you will be boondocking so that is what this advice is based on.
If you prefer, you can also just use bottles for urine and dump them on vegetation(its good for them) and rinse them out or toss them in a trash can.
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Inassume you mean the black and gray water.
The easiest way to empty them is not to fill them !! Lol

You can just leave the gray water line open to drain on the ground.
However, they make the little totes for emptying them.
Also, you can use double Walmart bags to **** and just toss them and then leave the black water open as well after you rinse it out well with bleach and water. Just empty and then dump a half gallon or gallon of bleach and 3 or 4 gallons of water and drive it for a day or two and then empty again.
Then you can just let urine run on the ground.
Urine is generally sterile.unless younhave some.strange disease.
I'm assuming that you will be boondocking so that is what this advice is based on.
If you prefer, you can also just use bottles for urine and dump them on vegetation(its good for them) and rinse them out or toss them in a trash can.
I hope this entire message was meant as a joke.

Some of it may have been reasonable advice in the 1940s. Only some...
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A bad joke and illegal.
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No issue with peeing in woods or land filling bagged feces. But dumping black tank on public land, even after pouring some bleach in toilet, is not cool or sanitary. I was taught a camping ethic of leave no trace, even if it costs a few bucks more to find a sanitary dump site.
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Dumping black or graywater tanks is illegal on virtually all public lands (and most other places as well). Here is a typical statement of Forest Service policy:

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Toilet buildings are not suitable locations for emptying motor home or camping trailer gray or black water due to the large volume of material holding tanks can contain. If there is no specifically identified facility in a campground for emptying holding tanks campers must keep the material in the tanks until they can locate an appropriate dump station. It is illegal to dump these materials on Forest Service lands at any location other than in a specifically identified dump facility, and tickets will be issued to violators.
https://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/mnf/news-events/?cid=STELPRDB5066205

The difference between peeing on a tree or using a cat-hole latrine and dumping your tanks is a matter of dispersal. When backpacking in deep wilderness it matters little what you do. At anything resembling a campsite, adequate dispersal is essential to minimize cumulative effects. Many popular NF dispersed campsites that I frequent have appallingly disgusting areas a few steps into the woods, because people are too lazy to walk 50 yards into the woods in a random direction. The effects of graywater dumping are less obvious until the tiny food scraps and cosmetics smells give the place a reputation among the local fauna as a place to dig.

Even if it weren't illegal (which it is), the proposed advice is grossly irresponsible in the 21st century. Please don't do it.
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Illegal dumping, burning garbage, scattered trash...this is why the USFS is closing off boondocking opportunities all over the country.
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It always amaze me how people would go to all extend to justify their illegal dumping.

*smh*

There are reasons for the law.
You have not learned the reasons.
The examples you cited are in different context, thus not applicable as excuses.
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