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Old 01-28-2009, 08:45 PM   #1
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Hi all,
Just wondering if anyone has heard anything about upcoming documentation requirements
for traveling to or from the US and Canada? Gone are the driver's license and birth certificate
2 question crossings from here into the US for us. As it stood last time I looked, everyone will
need at least a passport for land crossings sometime mid-year 2009. I know our governments at
federal and state/provincial levels were trying to come up with some less expensive
alternatives, like photo id cards with additional information added to establish
citizenship. Just wondering if anyone's heard any more about it all? Or any new ideas that
may be out there. I believe it's far easier (correct me if I'm wrong) for Americans to
obtain a passport at a local USPS office.
For us northerners, we have to go to a passport office to get one and it's expensive and a
colossal pain in the behind for most. I think there are only a few dozen of these offices in the
whole of Canada, so it really is a pain. There's a "mail in" option, but I don't know that it's any better.
I'd love to do the enhanced driver's license or photo id card if it were available.
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For Canadians a passport will be needed June 1, 2009.

Here's a good link:

http://cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/whti-ivho/doc-eng.html

It looks like the Enhanced Driver's Licence/Enhanced Identification Card will be an option if you don't have a passport.
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Here's a good link for info for Americans and Canadians:

http://www.getyouhome.gov/
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So, based on what I see on the chart, the EDL is accepted for Canadian citizens.
I've sent an email to CBSA for confirmation, as their chart may be open to interpretation
based on no "before/after" dates in any columns. There are some confusing footnotes too.

Or maybe I'm just skeptical about government websites. Yes, that's it.
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Further to this topic, I've contacted the MTO by email and they say they don't even have a roll out date yet.
I expressed my concern that there doesn't seem to be any urgency at the government's end
to get this tool out, to ease cross border traffic in a recession. I mentioned the potential lost revenue to the
province, if it doesn't get out soon, and everyone just goes with the passport instead.
They said they'd try to find out more and get back to me. That was last week. Still waiting.
I've emailed my MPP and they think they're only available if your current license is due to renew,
or if you have a major personal information change - then you can upgrade to a new EDL (which the Ministry
isn't in a hurry to get out, apparently). They also said it might involve an interview to get one, similar to
a FAST or NEXUS card, so that's got to slow everything down. Makes getting a passport look easy now, by comparison?

When I go to renew my stickers tomorrow, I'll ask the staff at the license office if they know anything more.
I'm less than hopeful.
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I don't understand why you don't just get a passport to make it simple. I noticed you have been in the UK. Did you not need a passport for entry into that country. It only takes a couple of weeks to get one. I travel with a passport all the time and don't have any problems.
If the US wants you to have a passport why should we argue with that decision. What is the price for a passport now. $60.00 for 5 years.
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My wife and I are in the process of getting our passports as we speak, and we were told it is $97.00 each for the passports, and what ever it costs for the pictures. We went to a local drug store here in Ohio for the pictures and they were $8.00 per person for two pictures each.
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Barman; Will your passport be good for 5 or 10 years.
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As far as I know it is for 5-years, but I'm really not sure. We will be turning in the applications tomorrow with the pictures and $97.00 each, and I'll ask that question and post it when I find out.
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Originally Posted by dutchduo1990
I don't understand why you don't just get a passport to make it simple. I noticed you have been in the UK. Did you not need a passport for entry into that country. It only takes a couple of weeks to get one. I travel with a passport all the time and don't have any problems.
If the US wants you to have a passport why should we argue with that decision. What is the price for a passport now. $60.00 for 5 years.
I just looked at this website and it appears it's a bit more than $60. It's either $87 or $92 depending on
how many pages you want, which I assume allows more stamps at international points of entry and egress.
http://www.ppt.gc.ca/cdn/section6.aspx?lang=eng
I have no intention of flying anywhere. I did fly to the UK in 1996, and did have a passport at the time.
However, it expired, and for several years it wasn't an issue as I was working, and actually didn't travel
much where I'd need one. Then 9/11 happened, and passports became a necessity again.

Based on what I can find out today from the MTO and CBSA,
to enter and exit the US from Canada by land or sea, after June 2009 will require
proof of citizenship. The acceptable documents according to the WHTI, will be a
Nexus or other similar express pass document, a passport, or the new Enhanced
Drivers License. According to the MTO website link below, the cost of an EDL
will be the basic $75 for the Driver's License part, and an additional $40 for the new
addition of your citizenship info.
http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/ ... ards.shtml

So, if I could acquire an EDL prior to June of this year, I'll save myself $47 for sufficient
documentation to allow me to continue to travel between here and the US.
However, as an update, I just checked at my local MTO office and they don't have any idea when they'll
be available either. I'm still waiting for a couple of people at 2 agencies to get back to me, so I'll see what
they can tell me regarding EDLs.
Ruling out the EDL as an option, or anything else acceptable besides a passport, I'll probably get a passport
prior to the June implementation of the new rules.
I'm just trying to save a bit of money, if I can. That's all.
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