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Old 06-13-2017, 06:05 PM   #1
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When this was first posted, I just took a quick read and bookmarked. Last night I set down and read it all the way through. All I can say is I really feel for the guy, it has to be mind boggling...the B of your dreams - turns to into a nightmare...and you are making payments and running your butt off to get it serviced. When I read that Roadtrek Headquarters finally stepped in an said "enough" and made the offer of his old RT Ranger back or a new '16 CS, I thought he was finally getting it settled. I finished reading his problematic '16 and said this will not set well for Roadtrek/Hymer when the word starts getting around. I wonder what happened after the Tampa RV Show....which brand did he go after? The ironic part of this is, my wife was really wanted that Model; I kept arguing it had to much "new to us" technology. I was adamant about going Chevy, forget the solar panels and under the hood genny. I wanted that 210 with all the whistles and bells, just like we had in our 190, but updated. My old '05 never seen an RV Dealer, and we bought on-line, sight unseen....did the exact same thing with this '15 210.....and except for some stupid things, it is doing everything I expected. I hope that Roadtrek/Hymer get these super items thoroughly tested before they put them out at the high sales price. It sort of reminds me of Microsoft, put a new program out and let the user complain to do the updates. Ron
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in a manner the market is being driven by buyers who "think" the latest is the greatest.
and I feel sorry for them- when they leap into a new unproven system- they become the tester.


I'm with you, totally satisfied with the proven old tech of our 2006 PW Lexor on a Chev.
forgiving of the limitations- we knew most of this going in


and this used unit was less than 1/2 what we had budgeted for a B

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Amen.

Nothing proves the KISS theory better than the recent RT Fiasco.

All this expense and trouble so "you can boondock for days"...

Something Vanners have been doing quite comfortably for decades...
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An interesting read and confirmation of Roadtrek's lack of engineering know how in their designs. I don't think you can make an AGM battery system that will fit in a B-van to reliably support A/C operation. The inherent voltage sag when making a heavy discharge from AGM's just doesn't work.

The only manufacturer that is currently making a functional all electric B-van is Advanced RV, with big Lithium batteries. If you want that capability you pay the price.


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Amen.

Nothing proves the KISS theory better than the recent RT Fiasco.

All this expense and trouble so "you can boondock for days"...

Something Vanners have been doing quite comfortably for decades...
Thank you!! I have been saying this all along!

The last thing I want in a van is super complicated technology that I cant fix myself.

No place in the back country for unreliable crap that needs a super tech with 3 multi-meters to fix.

If you can master the technology yourself like some on this forum, then I say have at it, but for an old river guide like me, the ultimate in sophistication is simplicity itself!!
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I don't think you can make an AGM battery system that will fit in a B-van to reliably support A/C operation. The inherent voltage sag when making a heavy discharge from AGM's just doesn't work.
My 440Ah 4-battery AGM setup driving an Outback 2800W inverter works fine running the A/C for up to two hours. If you are looking for all-night operation, that is a different kettle of fish.
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I often see the hunger for new and different ventures within DIY community especially in the electrical power implementations. Folks without engineering backgrounds tackle big Li battery banks with more difficult controls than AGM, electric water heaters, persistent fear of an old LPG technology but eager to jump to not well-known Li charging territories. In midst of hunting for the newest thingies folks forget about the fundamental objective - the joy of camping life.

From the get go in my conversion I decided to forgo LPG in lieu of electrical/diesel/alcohol power. While getting the diesel-powered water heater working I begin to regret that decision, I have a good diesel water heating working system now but it wasnít easy.

I see a big difference in engineering content between EU and NA in manufacturing RVs, letís see how many staple guns can you find in these 2 videos.


or this previously posted



or this to see different approaches and solutions in EU and NA

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My 440Ah 4-battery AGM setup driving an Outback 2800W inverter works fine running the A/C for up to two hours. If you are looking for all-night operation, that is a different kettle of fish.

Interesting - how is your SOC after two hours of A/C use?



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Interesting - how is your SOC after two hours of A/C use?



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