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Old 02-07-2017, 05:38 AM   #11
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I rented a Citroen Relay version of the Fiat.
assuming the seat, mount geometry etc is same or similar, I had no trouble fitting and being comfy for long hours in city and country driving, a little motorway too. at the time I was 6'1" and about 235. this was a manual tranny so required good pedal control.

no complaints about the pass side seat ( which was on the left side...rt hand drive version)- looking at the pics, these appear just to be "fancy fabric" version of the std seats.



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Old 02-07-2017, 01:43 PM   #12
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The seat adjustments are not totally obvious, but once you get it dialed in, it is quite comfortable. I don't understand this, but the same adjustment in the PM fits both MRNomer and me just fine. Not so in our other vehicles.
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Old 02-07-2017, 02:07 PM   #13
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The Fit RV has done an analysis of the pros and cons of diesels and gassers.

http://www.thefitrv.com/rv-tips/gas-...d-my-thoughts/

Thanks for posting, but it appears the fit folks left out a legitimate expense that would be a part of any cash flow analysis, the cost of money.

It seems to me that you buy a Sprinter B for reasons other than cost, period. After that, the reasons to choose a Sprinter B vary a lot with some of them just bs. There are folks here that chose a Sprinter B and the reasons were not bs, rather made good sense.

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Thanks for posting, but it appears the fit folks left out a legitimate expense that would be a part of any cash flow analysis, the cost of money.



It seems to me that you buy a Sprinter B for reasons other than cost, period. After that, the reasons to choose a Sprinter B vary a lot with some of them just bs. There are folks here that chose a Sprinter B and the reasons were not bs, rather made good sense.



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I agree with your comments. I bought my Sprinter B-van because of the space. It was the largest van available in 2012. I would have preferred a gas engine, but only diesel was available. I'm tied of hunting for diesel at the pumps. Even in my own neighborhood in Baltimore area the diesel pumps are often empty and I have to hunt for another. Looking for diesel fuel is a waste of my time.


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Old 02-07-2017, 05:26 PM   #15
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I bought Sprinters for the simple reason they satisfied my needs and wants the best three different times. The engine, diesel or gas, never entered into the decision equation. That was just what it was and I had never driven a diesel vehicle before in my life. My prior knowledge of diesel was with very rattlely sounding, smelly pickup trucks and I owned a half dozen pickup trucks which were all gas engines. If the platform had given a choice I might have chosen a gas engine of which I was more familiar. But that is a rather moot point now.

I will say this. Buying a diesel engine turned out in our current B the best solution for totally eliminating propane which I found to be a bigger nuisance. It is hard to beat the Espar diesel-fired system for heat and hot water, IMO.
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I will say this. Buying a diesel engine turned out in our current B the best solution for totally eliminating propane which I found to be a bigger nuisance. It is hard to beat the Espar diesel-fired system for heat and hot water, IMO.
That's true if, as in your case, your auxiliary power is from a second alternator/inverter but if the generator offered by the builder is an Onan, don't you end up committed to propane as a practical matter unless you want to pay close to twice the cost for a diesel version? LTV charges around 7k for the diesel option.

Why can't a system like the Espar be designed to be fueled by gasoline? Is it too inherently dangerous for this application?
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Why can't a system like the Espar be designed to be fueled by gasoline? Is it too inherently dangerous for this application?
remember the vw gas heaters?

the flash point of gasoline is too easily reached by accident

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remember the vw gas heaters?

the flash point of gasoline is too easily reached by accident

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I do remember that VW and Porsche did provide gas heaters but I don't remember any resulting gruesome stories. Compared to what could be designed today, the technology back then must have been crude. If you can use gasoline as a fuel to power engines despite its relatively low flash point, is a modern design for a heating system still out of the question?
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I have a gasoline heater, Webasto. Works great and very frugal with fuel <1/2liter per hour. I also run a electric water heater. I didn't want to carry any propane so I rely on the van's gas tank to run the heater and generator.
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True enough, I have eliminated the propane Onan generator as well with a second alternator. But eliminating the need for propane for heating and hot water with a diesel-fired system was a direct benefit. I could, as have many, gotten by with no Onan generator. The second alternator just makes it possible to go off shore power all the time if one desires and you don't have to fire up (idling) in a campground if you have adequate high battery capacity. Then if you have high battery capacity I doubt you can get by with just shore power and generator without a lot of pre-planning mental gymnastics while on the road.

I don't have any answers in regard to gasoline heating and hot water systems. I have little knowledge. Gasoline Bs do utilize gasoline for the Onan generators. However, with a second alternator I've eliminated one other major maintenance source, that Onan. I've had two different second alternators, the Nations that Roadtrek installs and other people have used and now a much larger Delco-Remy. To me there is no comparison in performance and from what has been said, the Delco is too big to install in a Promaster so that is another positive for the Sprinter. I don't know about the Ford Transit capability.

Edit. BTW, It is my understanding Advanced RV has only built one B with an Onan generator and that was back when they started in 2012. They adopted the second alternator as standard pretty early on.
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