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Old 12-14-2018, 02:21 PM   #41
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I laughed at that 5,000 mile/year average for Class B. We are putting miles on at 30,000/year.
Please don't muddy the water with an actual data point.
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Old 12-19-2018, 05:31 AM   #42
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YES, regardless of mileage, you should definitely have your oil changed once per year...so.

My 2013 sprinter manual says “Your Sprinter is equipped with the Active Service System (ASSYST). The maintenance computer tracks distance driven and the time elapsed since your last service. The service is shown in the multifunction display in the instrument cluster.” So I follow what it says.

If newer models have longer intervals and I owned one, I’d follow the recommendations for the model I own. But my model year tops out at 10,000 miles.

Why would you not follow the OEM recommendations for your vehicle? It knows how you are driving it.
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Why would you not follow the OEM recommendations for your vehicle? It knows how you are driving it.
Excellent question!
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Old 12-20-2018, 04:50 PM   #44
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We just bought a used 2015 Roadtrek etrek with less than 30,000 miles on it in a little over three years of service. A 2015 Adventurous RS we were looking at at the same time had less than 7,000 miles on it.

Several dealers pitched class b's as great for tailgating. And one dealer told me that people bought them to go south for the winter where they would park them and then use them for the return trip. I am not sure I would invest $100,000+ for that purpose, but assuming that most people are anything close to full timing it in these small RV's is unrealistic.

It appears to me that a diesel makes more sense the more miles you are going to put on it. As some have pointed out, the rest of the RV hardware is going to wear out before the engine. That wear is mostly not based on mileage, but on time and use. Neither a modern gas nor diesel is likely to wear out before the rest of the rv if you are driving it less than 10,000 miles per year. And if you are using the rv as a second car for lots of short errands, the diesel is going to have a harder time handling it than gas.

On the other hand, if you are driving 30,000 miles each year then the diesel is likely going to hold up better, give superior performance and cost less to operate in terms of gas. Higher maintenance costs might eat up those savings initially, but once you get past $150,000 miles on a gas engine, necessary repairs as it wears out are going to eat you alive. And the resale value is going to be nil.
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On the other hand, if you are driving 30,000 miles each year then the diesel is likely going to hold up better, give superior performance and cost less to operate in terms of gas. Higher maintenance costs might eat up those savings initially, but once you get past $150,000 miles on a gas engine, necessary repairs as it wears out are going to eat you alive.
If you want to know what being eaten alive is like, just spend some time keeping a modern diesel's DEF system operating. Just make sure you have a plan for the inevitable "xxx starts remaining" messages.
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Google search "Maritime diesel" and you will find many articles about the world shipping industry moving from bunker fuel to low sulfur diesel in 2020. An alarming prospect. This huge shift is likely to create a strain on domestic supply driving pump prices through the roof. As far as I'm concerned, diesel is a moot point and I will stick with gasoline, or a gas-electric hybrid.
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The article I saw said there was a likely increase in both diesel and gasoline with $.12/gallon for diesel and $.07/gallon for gas that would result from the low sulfur fuel demand for maritime uses. Neither of which I would characterize as "through the roof".

As for DEF, I have heard mixed reviews with some people not having any problems and others having nothing but problems. Again, these seem to relate to usage. If you make a of short trips, the filters are going to plug up and and not get cleaned out. That creates ongoing problems. If you consistently drive longer distances those problems are a lot less common. Of course in either case stuff breaks or wears out eventually.
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As for DEF, I have heard mixed reviews with some people not having any problems and others having nothing but problems. Again, these seem to relate to usage. If you make a of short trips, the filters are going to plug up and and not get cleaned out. That creates ongoing problems. If you consistently drive longer distances those problems are a lot less common. Of course in either case stuff breaks or wears out eventually.
My only experience is with Sprinters, but I can attest that what you say grossly understates the problem. I am not at all talking about DPF issues, which I agree can be avoided by proper usage. Rather, I am talking about the DEF system and its associated sensors.

Of course, there are people who report "no probems". That continues until they find themselves with "10 starts remaining". It happens over and over again, both here and at Sprinter Source. Moreover, out-of-warranty repairs are obscenely expensive, getting appointments for such repairs is often ridiculously difficult, and the ham-handed way that Mercedes disables the vehicle upon sensor failures is insane.

The Sprinter diesel emissions system is a nightmare. Beware.
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I am very satisfied with 2013 Sprinter, my issues were:

1. Fault code due to the system confusion of hot oil and cold coolant. I placed an electric heating pad on the oil pan and Sprinter’s brain got confused. MB recommended a coolant heater instead.

2. Dead starting battery flipped fault code for low voltage, replaced the5 years old battery.

3. Leaking tail light – replaced.

4. Air bags recall – done.

Not too bad for over 5 years old vehicle. My van is serviced at either MB or Freightliner dealer since it was new. The Sprinter forum has a lot of folks complaining, we all tend to be skewed towards negative reporting than positive and these statistics are showing. Some comments relate to disliking of EU brand, often by folks driving Dodges or Fords.

I also believe that dealing with a very corrosive, concentrated urea solution (DEF) through various climates is not easy and engineers are solving some infancy issues. Any contamination of this pure 32.5% urea in deionized water could kill the system. This urea solution requires special SS or Zirconium to prevent corrosion, certainly I shouldn’t care, this should MB engineer’s problem, I am pointing that this urea injection to reduce NOx emission is not easy. I hope that my van will remain being a good example of MB efforts.
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A couple of thoughts ... I now have 120,000 miles on my Sprinter and might buy another B-van in a few years.

I’ve looked at options on the diesel vs. gasoline for my next Sprinter as they are now available with gas engine. But it is a modern GDI (Gasoline Direct Injection) which can have as many maintenance issues as a diesel with DEF. I’ll probably stay with diesel as I want to eliminate propane and have a diesel heating system on my next B-van.

I have not had abnormal issues with the my Sprinter DEF system. I top off the tank at 5,000 miles between my 10,000 mile service intervals. I drive about 20,000 miles per year.

At 115,000 miles I got a CEL (Check Engine Light), with no obvious driving issues. Turned out to be a DEF tank heater problem that I had fixed before the cold weather started. I consider that normal wear on this emissions system, much like recently having to replace the Catalyst Converter on my Toyota after 150,000 miles.

Here in Maryland/Virginia area diesel is now almost $1.00 more than regular gasoline.

Just my 2˘ on this topic,

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