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Old 01-25-2018, 12:09 AM   #11
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There are pro and cons to the pop top option. There are definitely some advantages including being able to use a lower roof van and still having standing room with the top up..

The downsides include a significant loss of storage space with loss of upper cabinet space in a Class B with limited storage to start with. There is also loss of roof space for things like AC, solar, etc. Another downside is the extra cost of the pop top. A Sportsmobile pop top adds $9000-$10,000 depending on the bed option, power lift, paint, etc.. I have no idea what Hymer pricing will be.
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Old 01-25-2018, 12:33 AM   #12
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We had 2 Westfalias, 1977 and 1985 and they become a part of our camping DNA driving us the the future of our current van. Before switching to a larger RV, we used all sleeping places with our family of five, our youngest son on the hammock mounted on the front pillars.
What nice memories! I am so looking forward to creating my own!
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Old 01-25-2018, 12:34 AM   #13
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I'm another past owner of a Westfalia - way back in the seventies when our two daughters were young kids! One slept up top and the younger one slept in a hammock that installed across the two front seats. It worked fine.

I really liked that little VW van - and I suppose it is one of the reasons why I am now thinking of going back to a van!

If four of us could happily co-exist in the VW, surely now two of us can camp in a larger one with many more amenities! Mind you we did have a nice "add a room" tent that hooked up to the VW and considerably increased our living space. It had a "boot" that coupled it to teh van. You could drive away and leave the tent behind - a great way to reserve the site and store stuff.

Best of luck with your unicorn!

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Thank you Brian! seems that so many people just loved their Westfalias! I am excited to get a bit of that experience. Sounds like you had have some great memories to look back upon. What is your next MH? Any closer to a decision?
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Old 01-25-2018, 12:40 AM   #14
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There are pro and cons to the pop top option. There are definitely some advantages including being able to use a lower roof van and still having standing room with the top up..

The downsides include a significant loss of storage space with loss of upper cabinet space in a Class B with limited storage to start with. There is also loss of roof space for things like AC, solar, etc. Another downside is the extra cost of the pop top. A Sportsmobile pop top adds $9000-$10,000 depending on the bed option, power lift, paint, etc.. I have no idea what Hymer pricing will be.
hi there, From what I can see on the youtube videos I've been able to find - the pop top is above the roof and the same exact layout of the existing 2.0. Additionally the pop top does not increase the overall height of the RV. There is still AC, still the bathroom fan, still solar panels. Not sure how they fit is all up there and I believe the unit they are touring around is a prototype so I guess that is not too helpful. But there isn't any loss of upper cabinets (bear in mind the uppers were fairly shallow to start which is actually one of the thing I like, particularly since I won't be fulltiming and am placing a premium on sleeping more people and having more living space). The pop top adds $5k to the price. I'm learning that the price fully optioned with the power sofa is $104K. gulp. But still considering ordering without the lithium batteries and VS for a savings of $7k. Whatever the case I have to pay 6-1/4 % massachusetts sales tax.
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Old 01-25-2018, 12:42 AM   #15
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Personlly I don't think not having the lithium/voltstart will hurt you at all. There are just as many people who (like me) prefer to avoid them. Right now a big question is what will be the cost when your X year old van needs new lithiums? (and the 6 year warranty is done) Will the prices drop to something more affordable? If you must buy from Hymer, we know that they will be very overpriced as is everything that they sell for replacement parts.

You can buy AGMs easily... and reasonably (relatively speaking). And it is also easy to have a remote starter added if you ever feel that you need one. To me, unless you plan extended boondocking out in the middle of nowhere, I'd save the money. $7000 will buy a lot of gas...

It has been posted that solar will be available along with AC on the pop-top, but early news is not always accurate.
hi Mumkin, it is a TOUGH one. I am going down to the dealer tomorrow to test drive an Aktiv 1.0 to get a feel for the drivability. Planning to discuss this with them then. I think they are mostly ALL being built with the lithium and VS and so there is this strange inkling in my head, of asking them to do something they don't normally do. Seems it took them this long to figure out how to do what they are supposed to do correctly. Am I asking for trouble to ask for a non-standard option?
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Old 01-25-2018, 12:45 AM   #16
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Thank you Brian! seems that so many people just loved their Westfalias! I am excited to get a bit of that experience. Sounds like you had have some great memories to look back upon. What is your next MH? Any closer to a decision?
Hello Indoorsy! For now we still have our 31 ft Airstream and truck. As we age I can see some advantages to downsizing, and it will also re-open some fresh horizons for us in terms of access to many campsites that are just too small or difficult to negotiate with our larger rig - we will certainly miss all the space we have though if we go ahead with this swap - which seems fairly likey at this point as long as I can get a fair price for what we now have!

I don't want to go too large, so the Leisure vans at 25 ft are out for us, as are the longer XL Roadtreks - I feel 21-23 ft is the sweet spot for us as a good compromise between enough livijg space and ease of handling as a second vehicle and parking.

That said, my favourite for now from what we have seen so far is by far the
PW Lexor FL that is just now available. ((similar to the Lexor ST that was the one PW had at the Toronto show, but with a drivers seat that fully rotates and has a flip up computer table. )

However I still want to look first hand at: RT Adventurous, PW Plateau FL, and
Winnebago Travato 59K and maybe RT 190 and 210.

No rush though, we still love our Airstream trailer and are about to hit the road for seven weeks in Florida! I hope to see some more while we are away - if not, I will chase around to dealers to see them when we get home in April!

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Old 01-25-2018, 12:50 AM   #17
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No rush though, we still love our Airstream trailer and are about to hit the road for seven weeks in Florida! I hope to see some more while we are away - if not, I will chase around to dealers to see them when we get home in April!

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So jealous! Enjoy your trip! Not sure if you go to the West or East coast but if the West try walking the beach at Manasota Key. Shark tooth capital of the world. Get up early to get the biggest teeth.
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So jealous! Enjoy your trip! Not sure if you go to the West or East coast but if the West try walking the beach at Manasota Key. Shark tooth capital of the world. Get up early to get the biggest teeth.
We have been south each winter since retiring 19 years ago - I opted for an early retirement at 56 with the kids gone and the house long since paid!

For quite a few years we would go to California or Arizona but more recently Florida has been on the agenda as my wife prefers the shorter drive!

We do tend to prefer to move around a lot rather than stay at one campground and I see that as an advantage of vans rather than larger RV's

If we get a van I can see us getting back to touring re than we do now but maybe not so far in one day as it should be so much easier to find spots to stay - either RV parks or stealth camping almost anywhere!

With our trailer, the main effort has been to get to destination with as few intermediate stops as possible - made it from Toronto to San Diego on one trip in three and a half days!

I'm slowing down, driving less per day, and smelling the flowers now though! No more thousand mile days! (Well maybe one now and then!)

This winter's trip will be split between Topsail Hill Preserve State Park near Destin on the Gulf and Land Yacht Harbor Airstream Park at Melbourne on the Atlantic side.

We have been to both before several times. We can stay in the Melbourne park for just $16.50 a night with full hookups - a bargain these days! Topsail hill is more like $45 if I recall.

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hi Mumkin, it is a TOUGH one. I am going down to the dealer tomorrow to test drive an Aktiv 1.0 to get a feel for the drivability. Planning to discuss this with them then. I think they are mostly ALL being built with the lithium and VS and so there is this strange inkling in my head, of asking them to do something they don't normally do. Seems it took them this long to figure out how to do what they are supposed to do correctly. Am I asking for trouble to ask for a non-standard option?
I love the drive... the little Carado Axion is more fun than an SUV. LOL

They have been building RVs with AGMs and no voltstart since the 1970s. It is the standard. They've got it down pat... with very few glitches and issues. No problem with ordering this because Lithium and VS are actually options.

Special orders to get what you want are normally the same price as on the lot... and BTW, no one pays the MSRP. I would assume a 12-18% discount on that number.
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