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Old 06-06-2009, 10:05 PM   #1
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Default Inspection of Chassis mounted propane tanks.

I was at the Home and Park Ontario Roadtrek Rally this past week and the rally incuded a Roadtrek factory visit in it's agenda.

One of the questions posed to the Roadtrek folks was regarding the story that all chassis mounted propane tanks are now required to be inspected every 5 years!

The RT staff confirmed that all tanks now have to be inspected every 5 years and a sticker is required to be placed on the windshield to indicate that such an inspection has been carried out and the tank has passed.

This sticker apparently has to be displayed so that no propane supplier will fill any tanks that have not been inspected!

Apparently this is a 'knee jerk' Canadian government reaction to the propane company fire that occurred last year in Toronto. How RV gas tanks got into the act is not clear!

When I bought my RT I checked and was told that the tank would need to be tested after 20 years of use.

One person at the rally had heard that a RT had had it's tank tested after 5 years and failed. The cost to solve the problem was $2,800, which involved replacing the tank!

Has anyone heard anything about this, or run into any refill problems?
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Old 06-07-2009, 05:23 PM   #2
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Found this link, and although it's from an outfit in Alberta, it sounds Nationally official......
http://www.tempheat.ca/proptankcertification.htm
which mentions vehicles which run off of propane requiring checking every 5 years.
I read the 2 paragraphs just after the amber print section that begins "As of January 1 2008....."
to mean propane powered vehicles need rechecking/recertifying, but permanently attached tanks just need
to be visualled at the time/place of filling.
Here's something from the MTO website. No mention of 5 year inspections.
http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/pubs/r ... art7.shtml
Some things from the west coast...
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:yJu ... clnk&gl=ca
http://rvbasics.com/techtips/RV-propane ... -tips.html
So, I guess we'll find out next time we try to refill?

How're you doing btw?

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Old 06-08-2009, 02:41 AM   #3
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Default Re: Inspection of Chassis mounted propane tanks.

In British Columbia, the BC Safety Authority brochure explains that there are 2 types of propane containers commonly used on a RV: Cylinders and Tanks.

It goes on to state that "Propane cylinders must be inspected and requalified every 10 years". Hmm, What about tanks?

It also states "The Motor Vehicle Sales Authority of British Columbia (VSA) requires all dealers to ensure that vehicles are safe before being sold, including that propane systems on used RVs have been recently re-certified".

One of Mike's links had this:

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"We want to ensure RV users have a safe summer on the road," said Wayne Lock, the gas safety manager for the BCSA. "Propane equipment should be checked and maintained at least once every two years and every time an RV is transferred to a new owner."
I bet this is something that is going to vary from state to state in the US and province to province in Canada.
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Old 06-08-2009, 01:09 PM   #4
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Default Re: Inspection of Chassis mounted propane tanks.

I also poked around in Google and was only able to find the Manitoba and Alberta postings but nothing for Ontario and nothing specific to RV tanks.

There is a fair amount out there about portable propane cylinders but nothing regarding ASME chassis mounted tanks. The consensus seems to be that if they look OK and are not rusty they are OK.

I did find that someone in California had been conned into believing that his chassis tank was a cylinder and he was charged for a bunch of tests.

As others have found, it is difficult to find anyone in government who is willing to confirm a negative requirement. That is, they are reluctant to say that there is no requirement to test chassis mounted tanks that appear to be in good condition.

Unless Roadtrek is using a tank of a different design I think they were wrong, or perhaps premature!

There were 54 rigs at the rally and the oldest was an '83 and that had never had it's tank inspected. Nor had anyone else! Naturally there was a bit of an uproar at the announcement and demands for more details. If I get them I will add to this.

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Hi Deryck,
Your findings pretty much echo mine. The stuff I read seemed to be more towards
LPG/NG powered vehicles needing their engine supply tanks to be inspected. I couldn't
find much about other types of tanks (except the 10 year expiry on the 20 lb. BBQ tanks in
Ontario). I guess I'll take a wait and see attitude. Or, I'll be surprised when I get refused service
at my next fill up. Could the RT people have been referring to LPG powered vehicles when they
responded to the question?
If it does happen, it'll be just another provincial tax grab like this blended PST/GST McGuinty
and company have planned for us.

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Old 06-08-2009, 02:48 PM   #6
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Default Re: Inspection of Chassis mounted propane tanks.

When I lived in Manitoba, I was told by a couple people that tanks needed to be checked every 10 or 20 years. I didn't concern myself unless I could not get the tank filled.

My RV just went through a safety check in Ontario and passed with no problem. Thing is, as far as I know, the tank is still the original one that was installed back in 1977. I've never had an problem getting it filled anywhere yet. I do plan on getting it checked but it does not look like a cheap thing to have done.
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Default Re: Inspection of Chassis mounted propane tanks.

Hi again all,
This afternoon I went to my local propane supplier/refiller and had no problems
getting my tank topped up.
No mention of tank inspections. Just cool, pure, pressurized propane.
Actually, I was surprised that after all the furnace usage last November and
again in March, we only used $2.76 worth.

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Old 06-10-2009, 12:58 AM   #8
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Default Re: Inspection of Chassis mounted propane tanks.

I never heard of it and just to add a comment we don't want some law like that crossing the boarder
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Default Re: Inspection of Chassis mounted propane tanks.

OK, a bit of an update!

I was at the Roadtrek International Chapter meeting this week which involved a RT factory tour and a tech session with the RT folks and the question of the required inspection of the propane tanks every 5 years was raised. This was confirmed as a requirement and some of the folks attending had already had their tanks inspected.

The inspection was not as thorough as was first rumoured. This now seems to only involve checking the exterior of the tank for obvious rust and coating it with a soapy water to check for leaks. The same was done for all the propane pipe connections and valves. The cost was $79.95.

It was mentioned that in almost all the US States it was illegal to travel with the propane turned "on". This was news to me!
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Default Re: Inspection of Chassis mounted propane tanks.

Hi Deryck,
Who does these inspections, and when, and were the "inspected" all from the States?
My propane supplier hasn't mentioned anything about inspections when I go for filling.
I can find the 10 years old inspection before filling rule at propane.ca,
http://www.propane.ca/CleanTruth/
and a blerb about annual inspections at this site,
http://www.npga.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=687
and this thread makes for interesting reading,
https://forums.trailerlifedirectory.com ... 735461.cfm
but that's all (relevant) I could find.
Any idea if anyone who had their tank checked failed and had to replace it? Cost?
BTW, I never travel with the propane on, as my RT has a built in auto-shutoff with an
audible alarm whenever I put the keys in the ignition (my wife).
It's like Ft Myers weather up here right now. I saw Coral Gables got hit with a tornado
just the other day. Looked nasty. How're you doing? It'll be snow bird time again pretty soon.

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