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Old 01-31-2017, 02:29 AM   #1
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Default Is a B+ really just a C Class

My take on Class C's are that they are a box on flatbed that rattles and leaks. In previous life I had a lovely (but ugly) GMC 26ft Class A that didn't rattle, didn't leak and was a dream to drive but can't find any class As that come close to engineering and size. Anyway, I digress

We won't be using our class B as alternate vehicle, only for travel. I'm not thrilled with the looks of the wider B+s, but they do give you a bunch more space. Is the only thing that makes it a B is that it's based on a van chassis? And if so, that seems like it could introduce the same quality issues that you get on C's. Also, looking at the used market they don't seem to hold their value like the true Bs. Speaking of which I'm amazed at the strength of the Roadtrek Populars.
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Old 01-31-2017, 04:12 AM   #2
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In my book, a Class B+ is closer to a C-. That's not a grade of any kind, it just means that they're both built on a cutaway chassis, but one is minus the bed over the cab. Calling them a "B+" probably was some marketing person's decision. It sounds better than a "C-."

Like with everything else, quality and resale value varies among RV companies. Among the B+ companies, I personally like the look of the products from Leisure Travel Vans. They don't litter their RVs with swoopy-doopy paint jobs, their build quality seems good, and from what I've found so far, they seem to hold a lot of their resale value.
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Old 01-31-2017, 04:19 AM   #3
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Yes, they are really just a Class C.

If you want to look at a top quality rig in this class... take a look at Leisure Travel. They WILL keep their value better than most.

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Old 01-31-2017, 04:20 AM   #4
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Sienna Guy and I were synchronized posting... LOL
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Leisure Travel Vans makes a model called the Unity Twin Bed. It has twin beds that can be converted to an 88" x 76" bed. That's larger than a California King bed! The system for doing that isn't perfect, but watch their video on the Twin Bed. Their one of a kind 6' 1" salesman, Dean, will probably have you in stitches. His height is good to use as a reference. Watch how he moves around inside.
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The first problem seems to be that the mattress inserts between the beds slip around and some folks complain that they can feel the gaps between the mattresses. Based upon some unsupervised time at an RV show*, it looks as though the sliding around can be lessened by placing a non-slip mattress gripper underneath the whole bed. My hunch is that having pieces just under the middle inserts wouldn't be as effective as having the weight of the twin mattresses on top of a larger gripper. This weight should keep the gripper stable, so the inserts should remain stable.
https://www.amazon.com/Original-Gori...ttress+gripper

A piece of foam on top would soften the gaps between the mattresses. You'd need to get it cut to fit the size and the shape of the entire bed. And get foam with a warranty. Some memory foams crack and split when folded. Over its lifetime, it's almost certain that at some point, you'll want to either roll it up or fold it up.

The second problem is that to get the 88" to be the length of the bed, you'd have to sleep east-west in the bed. And that would mean that one person would have to crawl over the other to get out of the bed. Of course, you can always sleep the other way.

The other thing that I like about Leisure Travel Vans is that they order all of their Sprinters with all of the safety packages that Mercedes offers. Some other RV companies don't. You can "build" one on the LTV site with your options to get an idea of the MSRP.

*A big thanks to all of the salesmen for various companies who went to dinner at the same time!
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LTV has fallen a lot in the last few years. Their interiors are no where near as nice as they used to make, and the new Wonder is downright appalling - all vinyl coated particle board, cheap pressure clatches on their doors and lots of sharp edges.
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LTV has fallen a lot in the last few years. Their interiors are no where near as nice as they used to make, and the new Wonder is downright appalling - all vinyl coated particle board, cheap pressure clatches on their doors and lots of sharp edges.
Oh dear, not for us then. We'd be in the market for a used one, I'll keep that in mind
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I suspect that this is one person's opinion. I recommend that you actually look at some of their new models and make your own judgement.

The reality is that LTV can't build their rigs fast enough for the demand... last I heard there was about a 10 month wait for a new one.

They are still head and shoulders over their competitors... both in quality of construction and creativity in their floor plans.
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The Wonder is their version of a budget rig. It starts at about $105k and maxes out at about $115k with all options, still well under a base Unity, and way under a Serenity. It actually maxes out at the starting price for a Paseo. At such pricing I wouldn't expect to have the same level of luxurious finish as their way more expensive models. Further, the Transit platform has lower capacity than the Sprinters, so the lighter cabinetry would preserve more load capacity than solid wood, and the Wonder has a lot of cabinetry and storage for sure. The Unity and Serenity models I saw last summer certainly had stellar build quality, at least on the surface, so I wouldn't be too concerned about the Wonder, though I guess time will tell.
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