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Old 04-30-2018, 09:54 PM   #11
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until they come up with gasoline engines that can deliver the power and torque needed in BIG TRUCK loads and towing diesel is not dead.

I suspect it will be dead in cars and small trucks.
Not small Pickups,” Trucks” for you in NA. Diesel has replaced Gas engines here and outside NA in Pickups
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Old 04-30-2018, 09:55 PM   #12
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Things to remember about the comparisons.

Gas turbo engines perform just as well as diesel turbos at altitude.

Gas engines, especially turbo ones, can be designed to get the power bandwidth wherever you want, so can get very high low end torque if desired. As Avanti said, the many gear transmissions now available will allow the engines to be designed to a narrower power and efficiency range, just like diesels have been with all their gears, so lots of benefit there.
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Old 04-30-2018, 09:57 PM   #13
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Paul, I won't start any great debate about diesel vs. gas... And, I know that in 2019 Mercedes Benz is planning on releasing an electric Sprinter in Europe...We have a 2009 Toyota Prius... climbing through the Rocky Mountains..it barely reached the 11,000 foot summit.. went down to about 25 MPH..made it... BUT..it was slowly climbing.. I've been in mountainus areas with gas and now my turbo diesel...the gasoline engines have to work a little bit harder and rev more to climb steep mountain grades... diesel makes more low end torque... just a fact.

None of these are designed to be speed demons...and all have pros and cons... diesel is probably more expensive to purchase, maintain and right now purchase fuel.... BUT, as for running out of power.. that's NOT one of their problems...

I've got a friend with the same Chevy 6 litre engine and he loves it...

Finally, it's all about enjoying your rig..... So.... enjoy.....
Electric Sprinter for short deliveries in European cities. Also the FWD Sprinter will be another delivery option, having a flat floor
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Things to remember about the comparisons.

Gas turbo engines perform just as well as diesel turbos at altitude.

Gas engines, especially turbo ones, can be designed to get the power bandwidth wherever you want, so can get very high low end torque if desired. As Avanti said, the many gear transmissions now available will allow the engines to be designed to a narrower power and efficiency range, just like diesels have been with all their gears, so lots of benefit there.
Emphasis by MB will be on the Diesel in the US. Gas engine is a option
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Old 04-30-2018, 10:03 PM   #15
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A couple of years ago we got a Honda Accord with 2.5l 4 cylinders with a continuously variable transmission - CVT, gas mileage is equivalent to the previously owned VW Jetta diesel.
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Roadtrek Adventuous RS1 wrote "Finally, it's all about enjoying your rig..... So.... enjoy....."

Absolutely! Whether it is a tent, trailer, A, B, C or just sleeping in the backseat of your SUV or car...........that is what it is all about: enjoyment.

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https://www.mercedeshoffman.com/abou...inter-history/

Since 2010 Mercedes Benz is again exclusively selling the Sprinter...no more affiliated with Dodge..

Whether it's a Dodge or Mercedes.... there's a lot of history to the commercial vehicle market and the Sprinter is no exception... it's certainly one of the roomiest vehicles out there for conversions.

The diesel application in the vehicle for an 11,000 plus, one ton truck is really amazing.
I tell people to purchase one used... it's crazy to get one new... solid base engine....
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https://www.mercedeshoffman.com/abou...inter-history/

Since 2010 Mercedes Benz is again exclusively selling the Sprinter...no more affiliated with Dodge..

Whether it's a Dodge or Mercedes.... there's a lot of history to the commercial vehicle market and the Sprinter is no exception... it's certainly one of the roomiest vehicles out there for conversions.

The diesel application in the vehicle for an 11,000 plus, one ton truck is really amazing.
I tell people to purchase one used... it's crazy to get one new... solid base engine....
They originally did that to get away from the Luxury connotation associated with MB. Not a problem in Europe and elsewhere as they make Vans and Heavy Trucks badged as MB( No MB heavy trucks in the US as Freightliner is their Heavy Truck division. It uses MB. diesels rebadged as Detroit Diesels!, but simplified as huge horsepower 650-73Ohp not required for US fleet trucks)
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https://www.mercedeshoffman.com/abou...inter-history/

Since 2010 Mercedes Benz is again exclusively selling the Sprinter...no more affiliated with Dodge..

Whether it's a Dodge or Mercedes.... there's a lot of history to the commercial vehicle market and the Sprinter is no exception... it's certainly one of the roomiest vehicles out there for conversions.

The diesel application in the vehicle for an 11,000 plus, one ton truck is really amazing.
I tell people to purchase one used... it's crazy to get one new... solid base engine....
Even more amazing with if you are referring too the Cab Chassis version.
IVECO Fiat’s Truck Division has the Daily. Payloads range from 3,500lb too 9,000lb. At its 9000lb zenith it has a 15,400lb GVWR and a 23,750lb GCVWR.
It is used in Europe as the basis for heavy Class C’s and the Euro “liner”Class A
Italian engine is used in the Mitsubishi Fuso Truck, which is quite unusual
IVECO Daily is used in many ways. As a extreme Off Road 4x4 it has a 5000lb payload and can also tow 7,700lb
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I believe diesel will not die.

It is the emission control method that will die -- the DEF, DPF, cat, etc.,

There's gotta be a better way.
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