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Old 07-13-2014, 12:48 PM   #1
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Default Lot's of possible floor plans with Promaster

what do you think of this floor plan? Video at the bottom of the page.

http://www.shiremotorhomes.co.uk/#!p...xl-studio/cea7

Actually has an oven! Assume this has a cassette toilet, which saves a big space that would go to a black tank.

Another more in-depth video -

http://www.shiremotorhomes.co.uk/#!p...-reviews/c20e4
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Old 07-13-2014, 01:01 PM   #2
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this is a very usable for two floorplan. Travato makers should use this one
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Yeah, the more I look at it, the more I like it. There is also a neat twins floor plan if you explore their site.

If you are touring or just weekending, these would be great. You could easily go no generator and just carry a portable if you boondock and need AC. I'd pass on the wine cooler though - I drink red.
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It looks suitable for one person, not two. Once again the bed is not wide enough and a crawl over with two people. The plan is more like a small travel trailer than a class B. It is nice there is that wide sliding door view but there better be a screen on it. With the sliding door closed and the back end closed off it is cavernous with the small windows.

It struck me while sitting on my couch at home typing this with my head up against the back cushion. There are few, if any, RVs that have comfortable couches with those flat removable for filler back rests. No slam against this one. It seems that is a trait of all RVs. Interesting complaint about the TV but, if two people in the B I think I would rather be in the adjustable turned around seats with foot stools than sitting upright on that couch.

It is generous with the sinks but chintzy with the microwave and refrigerator. The range and stove is overkill. Not sure about the wine cooler. Did he say it needed shore power? Bathroom is a wet bath shower? Cassette toilet is a non-starter. The pouch pockets in the back were kind of weird. In America, this would be a weekender, not a tourer.
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It looks suitable for one person, not two. Once again the bed is not wide enough and a crawl over with two people. The plan is more like a small travel trailer than a class B. It is nice there is that wide sliding door view but there better be a screen on it. With the sliding door closed and the back end closed off it is cavernous with the small windows.

It struck me while sitting on my couch at home typing this with my head up against the back cushion. There are few, if any, RVs that have comfortable couches with those flat removable for filler back rests. No slam against this one. It seems that is a trait of all RVs. Interesting complaint about the TV but, if two people in the B I think I would rather be in the adjustable turned around seats with foot stools than sitting upright on that couch.

It is generous with the sinks but chintzy with the microwave and refrigerator. The range and stove is overkill. Not sure about the wine cooler. Did he say it needed shore power? Bathroom is a wet bath shower? Cassette toilet is a non-starter. The pouch pockets in the back were kind of weird. In America, this would be a weekender, not a tourer.

Davydd-i think your becoming a curmudgeon
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I'd disagree with several of your points.

It's a far more cavernous feeling sitting on a sofa in a back of a van than one in the front. Especially one facing that big door. I agree it needs a screen door like the Travato. It's certainly big enough for two to lounge on it enjoying coffee and the paper, or to stretch out at take a lazy nap.

I'd say the microwave it the overkill. I'd loose that and get a bigger refrigerator. I'd also loose the wine cooler.

If you make a couch with a reclining back, you have to loose floor space. Angled cushions don't work either, as you need them for filler. They do have a twins floor plan that may be more to your liking. It doesn't give a dimension on the double bed, but you can see that there is still walk-by space with it extended, which is nice. Most likely it's 46-48" wide.

I do like the multi use table with the pedestal you can move around or use outside. That's a cool feature.

I go back and forth on the cassette toilet. Kinda grossed out by it, but then again, not a deal breaker. I can see that it could be handy. But it's only 5 gallons. 3 or 4 days use tops. Several of the expedition class vehicles are using them - like the Tiger.

I'd order this van with the AC option, just to have it. No generator needed, as everything else is propane.
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I guess I look at a lot of the "new" floorplans as awfully similar to the "old" floorpans. There we lots of side/front sleepers out there before the current crop of rear sleepers. Some had the kitchen in the rear, some the bathroom, just like the new stuff. We can only guess why the old styles went away, but obviously they did not sell as well as the rear sleepers or they would still be popular. It will be interesting to see if the front/side sleepers make a comeback.
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It looks suitable for one person, not two. Once again the bed is not wide enough and a crawl over with two people. The plan is more like a small travel trailer than a class B. It is nice there is that wide sliding door view but there better be a screen on it. With the sliding door closed and the back end closed off it is cavernous with the small windows.

It struck me while sitting on my couch at home typing this with my head up against the back cushion. There are few, if any, RVs that have comfortable couches with those flat removable for filler back rests. No slam against this one. It seems that is a trait of all RVs. Interesting complaint about the TV but, if two people in the B I think I would rather be in the adjustable turned around seats with foot stools than sitting upright on that couch.

It is generous with the sinks but chintzy with the microwave and refrigerator. The range and stove is overkill. Not sure about the wine cooler. Did he say it needed shore power? Bathroom is a wet bath shower? Cassette toilet is a non-starter. The pouch pockets in the back were kind of weird. In America, this would be a weekender, not a tourer.

Davydd-i think your becoming a curmudgeon
Maybe. But I would like to see two people living in this for say 3 months on the road. A 46" wide crawl over bed is torture for two people long term in America used to king and queen beds as standard now. On top of that, it is once again an either or live or sleep inside situation. Look, Bs have their comfort limitations but you could not survive in this one in the south without air conditioning. It is too confining with no natural ventilation. If it had AC running or if it was raining it would be cavernous with the sliding door closed. It is a one person B or a two people for a week or two vacation mode, but as a long term tourer for two people I would not even remotely consider it.
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It's a far more cavernous feeling sitting on a sofa in a back of a van than one in the front. Especially one facing that big door. I agree it needs a screen door like the Travato. It's certainly big enough for two to lounge on it enjoying coffee and the paper, or to stretch out at take a lazy nap.
What originally attracted me to the Sprinter was this photo of the 2006 Roadtrek Adventurous. This is the older model but as you can see most Sprinters with back sofas have large windows from front to back and all around the sofa with four operable window vents for cross ventilation.



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If you make a couch with a reclining back, you have to loose floor space. Angled cushions don't work either, as you need them for filler. They do have a twins floor plan that may be more to your liking. It doesn't give a dimension on the double bed, but you can see that there is still walk-by space with it extended, which is nice. Most likely it's 46-48" wide.
You can rationalize why a couch is the way it is but it doesn't make it good. It is an uncomfortable couch as far as couches go when the backs are designed to be filler mattresses. That is a fault of many RVs, especially RVs with side couches. BTW, the back electric sofas can be adjusted to get the back to recline if you want it that way. They also generally have taller and more comfortable backs than the filler mattress kind. Also, the ottomans that come with them make comfortable foot rests. They are king/queen size beds but what I don't like about them is you don't have to crawl over but you do still have to crawl out of them.

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I do like the multi use table with the pedestal you can move around or use outside. That's a cool feature.
You can buy portable and collapsible pedestals that will fit the standard table pole that goes into a built in floor receptor. We are going to do that with our next B since we rarely use the table. The floor receptors that stick up are trip overs and the ones that are flush are dirt collectors and not too friendly with bare feet. At our Kansas B Happening last week one couple had settled on using inexpensive TV tray tables instead of their RV table.
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Not trying to beat a dead horse here, find people's different takes on layouts very interesting.

Some folks don't mind a crawl over bed, I know I don't if I'm on the outside. But it appears it could be made a bit wider with some filler cushions. I think for 2 people, the minimum you'd want is 50". Looking at the construction of this sofa bed (all wood), it could easily be re-engineered to be a bit deeper. The twin arrangement looks pretty good - instead of that foldup table, they have a small sofa that slides out into a twin.

If you look at the video, there are two large skylights - one over the lounge, one over the bath, plus a fantastic vent over the galley.
Plus, this one has the tip-out style windows on both sides of the coach. So on a rainy day, I'd think it would be alright, and have plenty of ventilation. If you got the AC unit, you probably are going to have to loose the galley ventilator, which I think is problematic. You'd then HAVE to have a range hood. Possibly you could move the fantastic fan vent a bit forward and still not loose the skylight. That's a lot of holes in one roof!

I wish they'd put one of those skylights in the Travato over the front area. It would really brighten it up.

But not to say you couldn't get the version of this van that is all glass down both sides (when you can get it) and put this interior in it. I got the link from a site where people are talking about doing their own conversions. This van is full of ideas for those guys to use. Check out the second video - the lighting is a lot better and they go over some of the details. Really like some of the things they did in the cabinets.

Yes, in the south you gotta have AC, duh. I'd say you need it most everywhere. But whether you need to plan on using it on genset power, or shore power is where your usage pattern comes in. If you are traveling against the seasons, then you really aren't going to run in on genset power, since you need it on 24/7. But then again, we are just assuming that this van can't be fitted with a generator. I may be able to the same way the Travato does. Since you have no black tank, and the cassette is above the floor, there may be more room underneath for a generator. But if I were ordering this van, I'd opt to carry a Yamaha 2000 instead, as I've proven it will run the AC, if needed. That is the only thing you need a generator for, as with 2 house batteries and lp, you could stay out quite a long time in this one.
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