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Old 09-17-2013, 08:07 PM   #1
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Hi All,
I'm happy to have found the forum! I'm a mountain biker and often travel to race, so I'm seriously considering moving to a Class B van pretty much full time next year. My budget it extremely limited! I think realistically I'd be looking probably at like a Roadtrek Popular from the early to mid 90s.

This year I stayed in my passenger van at least 2 weeks, sometimes opting for it when I had the use of a hotel. It was just was easier than trying to load things in and out, and to be one site during various events is really preferred. I often managed to have a good time even though my only amenity was an air bed!

I just went to check out all the new Class B's at the huge RV show in Hershey. I had never been in one before, so after all the research and checking out YouTube videos it was really interesting to actually see one.

Realizing all these can be customized to varying degrees, the Winnebago Travato was particularly interesting to me because single twin bed layout in the back (as opposed to full queen or king), meant it had room for a full enclosed bath/shower, and I'd be able to store my desired two MTB bikes under the bed right through the back door.

Do do the nature and use of the bikes I don't want to tow them or have them on a rack full time.

On that note one of the things that I like about the older 90's Roadtreks is the seating looks like something I could easily customize, while ones with an automatic bed as seen in many of the newer used models would be be less so.

In perfect world I've had everything, a place for two full large 29er MTBs, full seating/full bed in the back, plenty of light from both sides, and enclosed bath/shower (as opposed to the aisle option), and seating/sleeping and entertaining for up to 4. But I'm prepared to settle for far less!

With the older Roadtreks I see an option for removing the closet/driverside rear passenger area and storing two bike frames there lengthwise, while the 4 wheels could somehow find room through the back door/floor, or simply in the passenger seat when I don't have company. Many riders are used to taking off the front wheel for travel, I'd just have to get used to taking off both wheels and installing some kind of mounting system.

I should mention though the Sportsmobile Lopes 55 as what I will be doing in a small way has been done in a big way before! Though I will want room to stash tools and folding tires, I don't need all the bike space that Brian Lopes needs for his bikes.

Anyway, I really just wanted to say "hi". I look forward to reading the various topics and discussions.
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Old 09-17-2013, 09:20 PM   #2
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You could transport the bikes inside the vehicle, then see about some way to put stuff outside in a secure enclosure or storage tent for more space.

I am going to guess -- carbon fiber MTB frames, where putting those on most bike racks can cause chips/fractures in the CF which might cause complete frame failure later on. It is no wonder why those bikes stay inside. CF bikes probably cost $3500 minimum for decent componentry (and with full XTR, likely upwards of five grand.)

There is the option of using an enclosed cargo trailer. For security reasons, get the hockey puck locks which will function well to deter the low-lifes, and a pair of wheel boots (a hitch lock is a theft deterrent; wheel locks are decent anti-theft protection.) The trailer will go a long way in giving more space for living in a "B" and give better security for stuff than the van because it will be far harder than breaking a window for a thief to get your stuff. Of course, the trailer can be left somewhere secure and the van can be used for general purpose driving.
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Old 09-17-2013, 09:55 PM   #3
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Welcome to the forum

I have a late 90's van and it runs well. It is very reliable and I'd have no hesitation taking on an extended journey. I think used vans offer the best bang for your buck but it sounds to me like the Travato would be ideal. You could even sleep in the front bed and have the bikes fully assembled and upright in the rear.

This post might be of interest: http://www.classbforum.com/phpBB2/vi...php?f=9&t=2743
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Old 09-18-2013, 01:26 AM   #4
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I am a biker also and need to haul 1-2 high-end bikes that I would never want to haul on a rear rack even if it was enclosed. A enclosed cargo carrier big enough to haul 2 bikes is also huge which defeats the purpose of a small Class B.

The best Class B design for this I have seen is the Great West Vans Trifold Rear seat. This is awesome.

It allows storage under the seat but then the seat slides quite a ways forward to allow room for a couple bikes upright in the back. This would work great for me because I could haul bikes in back and still use the couch during the day. Then I could put the bikes in the front of the van at night and put the couch down for a nice bed. Unfortunately, there aren't any other of the Class B companies that have stole this great idea yet.

The problem I would have with the Travato is that the "Living Room" of the van is a very small cramped area in the front. That would be like living in a small closet for me. That front seat with the upright backrest also gives me a backache just looking at it, especially in comparison to the nice big reclining couch of the Great West Van design with a much bigger living area. Everyone has different preferences though.

The thought of hiring Great West Vans to put one of these in a smaller Roadtrek has crossed my mind.
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Old 09-18-2013, 02:59 PM   #5
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Have you gone to the Sportsmobile website galleries for ideas? I realize the budget constraint but you may be able to have a custom van built using your van. I also suggest Colorado Camper Vans.
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Old 09-23-2013, 10:35 PM   #6
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Thanks for all the feedback.

My current van is OK but needs work. I really don't think it's worth converting. I'm not sure what it would cost but assume it would be prohibitive. I also don't want a pop tent top (though they really have some innovative designs!). If I get lucky it seems I could get an early 90's Roadtrek for closer to $10G. Obviously an older vehicle will need love an maintenance, but it also seems these things hold up pretty good.

I know there different issues that come into play with a longer van, but I'm surprised when I see the spare wheel sticking out 18" from the back; why not just make it a longer van and enclose the wheel? Essentially the van is now that as the outside wheel anyway, so making it that long overall would be just allow for even more space inside.

That said, some of the older models look to have the spare wheel under the rear seat, and I could probably put the spare on the outside as normal and put my 4 MTB wheels in that same space inside. Then I see hanging the frames behind the driver's seat; either blowing out the driver side passenger seat wardrobe, as they are not vital. I could even possibly roll one bike in, standing, without taking the wheels off. The second bike will essentially be beater/bike used to get around locally, and could probably store outside just fine when camped.

One thing that I think would be paramont is the outside shower. I have friends who've done this at their homes just so they can avoid traipsing dirt inside! I don't often ride in muddy conditions, but that is the nature of the game and rain at least is unavoidable. Coming in clean is ideal. I can see a couple of chamois towels will come in really handy. Right now when I finish an event I just use a spray bottle and can do a field shower easy. Though cleaning the bike may take a portable power spray. That would be a must in some situations before I take the bike in, or attempt to take an inside shower.

I could see modifying the older models so that showering inside would also be easier. I've gotta say I'm surprised about the nature of the slide curtain and track. That same systems with the same little hook hangers seems to have been around for decades. The little hangers always get stuck in the track. And even when lubed it's still a cumbersome setup. So I'm surprised that I saw the same hangers on these new 100G models. When you think of all the innovation in these vehicles you'd think they'd have come up with an easier shower curtain surround.

Ideally of course I'd get a model that had a sit-down enclosed shower, and perhaps I could modify an older design with some door system similar to the pop-out options they have on the newer models.

Being frugal with the water is also paramount, and I suppose gone are the days of the long hot showers unless I have easy access to water supply and waste.

I'm a long way from pulling this off, but it still the plan!
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The best Class B design for this I have seen is the Great West Vans Trifold Rear seat. This is awesome.
That seat is a smart solution. wheel wells are an issue for me putting the full bike in there, though behind the seat would be an option.
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Have you gone to the Sportsmobile website galleries for ideas? I realize the budget constraint but you may be able to have a custom van built using your van. I also suggest Colorado Camper Vans.
Yeah I even played with their online designer. It's awesome what can be done.

I think I've seen one or two B+ with popouts, Perhaps one of these Class Bs will one day pop out into a 2-story colonial
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Typically, the spare tire is removed from under the van and placed on the back of the van to make space under the van for a generator or a propane tank etc. A longer van does solve problems but when it gets too long then you run into parking problems if it doesn't fit in a 20' parking spot. There's always a compromise to be made it seems with Class B Vans.

I think you can save water by changing the interior and / or exterior shower head to a kitchen type sprayer. This link http://www.classbforum.com/phpBB2/vi....php?f=12&t=56 shows how to do it. You get a nice blast of water from it that would be handy for spraying mud off a bike.
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I think you can save water by changing the interior and / or exterior shower head to a kitchen type sprayer. This link viewtopic.php?f=12&t=56 shows how to do it. You get a nice blast of water from it that would be handy for spraying mud off a bike
There's a ton of great info throughout this forum. I'd love to build and customize my own van one day! I think the power systems and infrastructure is what I could never figure out though!

I forget which model but a couple riders showed up to the race this weekend with new Roadtrek. I just stopped by to say hi and they were on their first trip with it. Their bikes were a rack on the back. I told them my plans to go full time and how I think the bike frames could store in the passenger side seat area with the wheels in the back somewhere, which they seemed to find interesting. They are just using theirs for weekend trips and they seemed very happy with it so far!

So a couple of other thoughts I have. In Roadtrek's brochure they talk about the costs of converting a van, and that the most time consuming process is cutting out the floor and replacing it lowered, and cutting off the roof and replacing it. I have no idea how many vans they produce a year but it would seem to be enough that wouldn't a company like Mercedes or Chevy be able to produce a 100 vans already spec'd like this? No doubt it would be significant cost, but wouldn't there be enough of a market that it would save a lot of time and money for the Class B industry and potentially save the customer in the long run?

Another thing I was wondering is why not have a fold-out bathroom. Roadtrek uses the concept of turning the alley into a shower, so why not user a similar concept and have the entire bath fold away? I really like it he feeling of space and light, and it seems to me you could put the toilet essentially inside a cabinet below a counter. Folded up you could have an open view and window. The counter could easily become the bath sides or really the whole cabinet could just unfold quickly into full bath clipping into hardware on the roof. You could utilize lightweight pvc sheeting like Sintra and potentially create a full dry bath. It just seems a shame to have the bath take up so much space when the system itself takes up very little. It's something I can definitely seeing trying to customize if I get an older Class B.
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