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Old 12-23-2016, 04:32 PM   #71
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Yeah, mine leaks slightly, too. Seems to be endemic to GWV. Mine's not bad enough to worry too much about. But, I intend to eventually remove and remount it properly using Eternabond tape. By all reports, this works far better than caulking.
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I forced the sealant down with a wood dowel and tooled it. That's a step they failed to do. Getting the old sealant off was the major chore.
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Old 12-24-2016, 12:47 AM   #73
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My GWVan skylight leaked and was fixed by a dealer in Nokomis, FL rather poorly. So I figured out why and did it myself afterwards. Poor design and sloppy workmanship. What it was, was the skylight was too close to the rain gutter and it was impossible to caulk a bead to seal because the nozzle would not reach. In effect there was a bridge of caulk with a channel uncaulked where the frame met the roof. Any minor leak in the sealant was going to let the water pour in.
Yep, Ditto for us. I don't know if I can trust anyone to fix our's right, so that may be a spring project for us. On top of that, our plastic dome is cracked a bit.

Did you replace your dome when you fixed yours?

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No. It was acrylic and prone to cracking in the corners. Advanced RV figured this out and changed their dome to a stronger polypropylene but not until after they started out with acrylic. ARV did replace my dome. I went with a clear tinted dome instead of a white opaque that was their standard. I wanted to see the stars.
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To Scottbaldassari:

I am a brand new member, and I'm totally spooked by all the decisions I must make before choosing my first RV. I prowl through the forum posts and only manage to triple my confusion. Just now, my spinning head came upon your reply on this thread. It's so blooming' brilliant. I've read it three times and I'm still laughing out loud.I'm happy to think that someone out on the road has a mind such as yours. Thank you, dear stranger, for sharing that mind with us here today.
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Old 02-27-2017, 07:05 AM   #76
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A couple of additional thoughts...

If I were buying again, I would look for the following:

- No power step.
- No power awning.
- No power couch.
- No power window coverings.
- No macerator.
- No fancy schmancy entertainment center that accidentally hijacks the electrical system.
My tent works first time, every time.

I don't think that it's unreasonable to expect that a Class B be built to the same standards as the vehicle that it's based on. Class Bs are built in small shops, with every opportunity for hands-on inspection. For every problem that any RV has, it was probably seen by several people along the production line. To me, the real problem is that some in management of some of these companies have decided that quality fit and finish isn't important, as long as production numbers are high. Management can't find the time to listen to the assemblers about ways to improve quality.

It's up to us consumers to let them know that crap is not OK. I know that it's easy to fall for the soft-focus happy couples in the ads, but we need to demand simple things like shelves that fit their cabinets, at the very least. If we can't trust them with low-tech wood, why should we trust them with high-tech wires? We need to demand electrical systems that work reliably. If new RVs cost $5000, it might be acceptable, but with anything costing well over $100,000, there should be no questions about quality fit and finish.

Yes, you can buy used. Still, hoping that a previous owner fixed the quality control problems of the manufacturer seems like it's letting the manufacturers off the hook. There really isn't any excuse for the low quality crap that some RV companies manufacture. They do it only because they know that they can get away with it. They may say that if they had to change their quality standards, the prices of their products would have to increase. What should change is not their prices, but the salaries of the management. Although some may act like it, they're not royalty. They're not going to expand the market by wearing a tiara on their heads.
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My tent works first time, every time.

I don't think that it's unreasonable to expect that a Class B be built to the same standards as the vehicle that it's based on. Class Bs are built in small shops, with every opportunity for hands-on inspection. For every problem that any RV has, it was probably seen by several people along the production line. To me, the real problem is that some in management of some of these companies have decided that quality fit and finish isn't important, as long as production numbers are high. Management can't find the time to listen to the assemblers about ways to improve quality.

It's up to us consumers to let them know that crap is not OK. I know that it's easy to fall for the soft-focus happy couples in the ads, but we need to demand simple things like shelves that fit their cabinets, at the very least. If we can't trust them with low-tech wood, why should we trust them with high-tech wires? We need to demand electrical systems that work reliably. If new RVs cost $5000, it might be acceptable, but with anything costing well over $100,000, there should be no questions about quality fit and finish.

Yes, you can buy used. Still, hoping that a previous owner fixed the quality control problems of the manufacturer seems like it's letting the manufacturers off the hook. There really isn't any excuse for the low quality crap that some RV companies manufacture. They do it only because they know that they can get away with it. They may say that if they had to change their quality standards, the prices of their products would have to increase. What should change is not their prices, but the salaries of the management. Although some may act like it, they're not royalty. They're not going to expand the market by wearing a tiara on their heads.
LOL. I can go back on a few of the forums almost 20 years and find the exact same comment.
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Your concerns were ones that I had getting into a class B about 16 months ago. We had one breakdown with a radiator hose damaged in manufacture. This was fixed in a gas station in the wilds of Utah. In addition I had to go round and round with the dealer and manufacturer to get the lithium batteries I negotiated at sale installed. It took a while, but it was installed, the tech. was great and it works really well.

We have had 5 or 6 trips in the last year that were truly epic. We really enjoy the class B and the freedom to explore and get off the beaten track. We look forward to every trip, whether for a weekend or a couple of weeks into the Sierra's or Utah.

My thought is to choose the RV that fits your travel style. Get one with a manufacturers warranty. Be ready for some inconvenience every once in a while. If you wait until the industry gets it act together, you will miss out on a lot of fun. Of course my thoughts may change on the first big breakdown. So far, there is some inconvenience, but it is a lot of fun. A price for us worth paying.
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The RV Daily Report notes that despite millions of new RV's being produced over the past 10 years, the number of RV owners has actually stayed stagnant -- that means that for every potential new RV-er like us one more has dropped out.

I think it's less likely that the drop out rate is that high and more likely that the industry is channel stuffing. As a longtime cigar smoker I saw the same thing happen in the 90's when that became a fad and all of a sudden new brands popped up overnight, there were humidors in every convenience store and bar, and production skyrocketed. The problem was that there really weren't that many more cigars being consumed and most of the new production was going towards filling all of the new warehouses, displays, and fancy cigar bars. Quality went down, prices went up, and as soon as the channel was full the industry crashed.

Living in Central Florida I've seen the number of RV dealerships on the I-4 corridor explode and each one of those lots is full of new campers waiting to be sold. Production is going up but the number of consumers actually buying units is not nearly as high. Pretty soon those dealer's line of credit will max out and they will start going out of business and clearing out RV's at fire sale prices. After that dust has settled the industry will have a better chance of producing a quality product.

Personally I would steer clear of a new RV for the next few years. There are plenty of gently used class B's built on easy to repair Ford, Chevy, and Dodge chassis's available. If you have to travel to find one that is even better. Going places is a big part of the reason to get an RV in the first place.
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