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Old 05-29-2014, 01:32 AM   #1
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Default The Fit RV has a new video on YouTube

For those people that follow the Fit rv folks, they have a new video filmed at Advanced RV. They showed the underside of the rv and a tripod table that I really liked. They pointed out a lot of features that I haven't seen before.

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Old 05-29-2014, 03:22 AM   #2
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We met James and Stephanie at the Advanced Fest. They reviewed Mzungo which is similar to the Advanced RV we are ordering in most all respects except for the bed, some other cabinetry redesign modifications and a V6. We also got to test drive that model and based on our test drive we decided to go with the VB Air Suspension and the V6. The main reason for the V6 is we already have one and know it well and felt after test driving with our Sprinter over the same course the acceleration onto a freeway ramp is better. Other than that I don't doubt the 4 cylinder would do the job, maybe better than 5 cylinder older Sprinters, and will get better fuel mileage than the V6. But we decided on the V6 as there was no way for us to test mountain driving conditions.
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Old 05-29-2014, 05:08 PM   #3
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After watching the video I came away with a few questions:

1. I was not sure I liked the tripod dining table. I wonder how wobbly the top is when actually used. And I am certain I would get tangled up with the legs over time.

2. I would like to add a small flip up table to access from the swiveled drivers seat. Perfect for a small laptop.

3. Given the penchant for Advanced RV to hide technical gear, I was a little surprised to see the Outback Solar Controller in the cabinet next to the refrigerator. There is no reason to look at the small screen at floor level when the remote screen is high up on the refrigerator side. I would have expected it to be hidden away. Usually solar controllers are closer to the battery bank. If this was a twin bed unit I would expect the Solar Controller to be near the Outback inverter/charger.
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Old 05-29-2014, 07:16 PM   #4
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That was a much better video than a lot of the sales versions you see a lot of.

Things that stood out to me.

The outside storage drawer looked very flimsy and appeared to have broken piece hanging from the bottom of it, maybe a torn seal?

Part of one of the solar panels was shaded under a vent, which, as I understand it could impact the entire panel's output, depending on how the bypass diodes are set up in the panels. I think Davyyd had mentioned they were getting 250 watts of solar, and that it was similar to Mzungo, but that appeared to have way more than 250 watts on it. It looked like it was at the max they could do for solar.

A manual adjusting passenger seat in something that spendy seems out of place. Is the driver seat full power?

I agree with Pattonsr about the tripod table. The legs on the floor level are bound to be tripped over when shuffling out of the tight fit in the rear. Don't know about the front. Nice that it can be used outside, though.

Personally, I would be as far as possible away from that interior color
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Of course they don't go near the price either. Isn't that coach listed for $189k?
In my view this coach is too complex. They are building in the same type of systems as the big premium class A's and they are bound to have the very same issues those do.

Price is no guarantee of quality. I'd argue that complexity is the enemy of quality. It is pretty that's for sure.

How would I build it?

First, I'd winter-proof the entire underside - insulated tanks, etc. Ditch the hydro hot and heated floor. Ditch the computer control system. Keep the multiplex wiring. Install a propane system - propane water heater, propane range with oven, propane furnace. Diesel generator. Ditch the microwave altogether. Ditch the ridiculous coffee machine. Ducted roof AC. 4 battery bank AGM group 31's. 200w of solar with curved low-profile panels. 3-way fridge/freezer. Add additional ac/dc freezer chest somewhere in coach. Keep the air ride. Keep the contemporary interior. Dual pane windows. Keep the paint scheme, exterior storage, etc. Keep the wheels. Exterior TV (or viewable outside) and exterior speakers.

Simple setup, proven reliability, not crazy expensive, yet still a very nice style. Able to boondock for quite along time I'd guess. That's what I'd order.
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To adders a few issues. First, did you not hear Neundorfer say every B is tailored to the customer? There is no model year.

For starters, the tripod table is available but if you want floor mount you can have it. What you get is not set in stone like the other manufacturers who have standards and options and no choices other than that in the catalog. The tripod is sturdy enough, BTW. We rarely use a table but the portability is welcome and I definitely never want one of those trip over cone mounts again or even one of those flush mount dirt collectors and bare foot scrapers.

Flip up table for the turned around driver seat? Glad you asked. Already requested.

I believe the solar controller is all handled through the Silverleaf touch panel as is about everything else it seems. Don't quote me on that. I didn't pay attention to those details.

The outside storage drawer was not flimsy and will hold a lot. I liked the fact it was so concealed you could not detect it was there. For Sprinters my GWVan has a similar storage space in that location with a flip up door similar to the Advanced RV utility connection storage next to it with the piano hinge. I keep my 30 foot electrical cord and a second slinky hose with the permanent coupling attached for campsite sewers in mine. Advanced RV's will hold more in my estimation.

I believe Mzungo has 500 watts of solar panel on the roof. I'm guessing but everything is still in flux but I will probably only have the two front panels. To see one like that Whoopi Sky Moon posted a top view of her B in the Facebook BEE Social Group.

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Advance RV is working on a special AC cover to put more panels on top to boost the overall available wattage. True some panels could be shielded but would it still be better than no panels?

If you want a power seat you can get one. Again, it is up to the customer. Whatever M-B offers can be ordered.

Same with colors. Good or bad I spent considerable time selecting the upholstery type and color, the cabinets, the type and color of flooring, the dash trim panels, accent trim, type of counter and color, the curtains, the wall panel color, the ceiling panel color and the exterior color of any offered by M-B. I looked at cabinets being built for a couple from Oklahoma. Can you believe two tone red and cream?

Mzungo was a spec B driven by the Neundorfers to Florida and Arizona this year. Much will be incorporated, much was learned and some will be rejected. It has a raised floor in front. That is one idea I rejected. That cabinet in front behind the driver is also being modified by me as is the entire interior backend.

They have built and will continue to build seed Bs you can buy from them fairly quickly. I met a couple of people who went that route including the guy who had them rebuild the beds in the back to accommodate those dog kennels. I am looking at about 8 months from start to finish.

PS. Wincrasher, if that is what you want, they can build it for you. That's the point I am making. I didn't see two Advance RVs alike from the ones they had and the customers that came back for Advance Fest.
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One more thing about the video. The AGM batteries in the center basement compartment was in a standard length Sprinter. It may have had a generator which would be right forward of that underfloor box. The Sprinter with the four lithium ion batteries in three different boxes was on the 24 foot extended body Sprinter. Neither was Mzungo. Without a generator they can now put as many as seven batteries forward of that rear center storage box and also utilize those two side boxes for additional storage. That is the design I want.
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I love the idea of the tripod table that can be used outside as well as inside. I guess if concerned about wobble, can have floor mount and still use tripod outside. I also like the small safe, just large enough for laptop, passports and a few other valuables. There is a lot of complexity built in. But like well designed software, that complexity should lead to a simpler user experience, such as eliminating propane systems in favor of electric.
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I wonder how access is provided to the seven forward batteries if twin beds are specified? And adding dog crates would seem to make access even worse.
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They have been cantilevering beds so access is straightforward and unimpeded. On mine I've requested a clear height of 18 inches under the beds which would make it easy to get at them from the top. Also, I am going to have lots of storage under the beds as well as the "basement" boxes. But if you use lithium ion batteries there is nothing to service in theory and they will most likely last longer than I will have the B. There was some discussion of simply getting at them on a lift from underneath. They were test monitoring, not each battery, but each and every cell for voltage and temperature. I'll make the point again, if it is a concern they could simply install them in those basements you saw in the video.

Here is that twin bed dog kennel design with the cantilever achieved with steel in the head boards. As you can see it wasn't even evident until the back door was swung out and the side door slid forward.



Here is a view of the four lithium ion battery setup in one of the Bs under construction.

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