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Old 11-17-2018, 01:13 PM   #1
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Greetings...
Going over systems and what not trade-offs I'll have on the RV I purchase, I've run across a few eye-openers.
I've settled on the Travato. While comparing floor plans, I noticed the hot water tank is only 4 gallons! The average American shower is 17.2 gallons. lasts 8.2 minutes, and has a flow rate of 2.1 GPM. Ok, I realize you will be taking a much quicker shower while conserving water, but jeez. At my age, to suddenly run out of hot water will likely take a year off my lifespan! I understand that RVs likely have low flow rate showerheads with on-off switches that will help considerably.
What else am I missing!?
Also, semi-related, I might allow my 24-year old daughter to use the van to attend weekend concerts or other short out and backs with her friends. Are there waterproof holders to attach to walls to enclose a checklist of sorts? And likewise in other parts of the unit to act as memory joggers? I'm a retired pilot so I know the value of checklists, I plan to have laminated "walkaround," "pre-departure," and "shutdown" checklists available.
As many of you know with kids, you can explain something to them very carefully and they will look you in the eyes and nod in agreement, but they aren't listening to a word your saying.

Thanks in advance!
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Old 11-17-2018, 01:59 PM   #2
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I’m in a Travato 59K - Yes Navy showers. But I really think I could run the water continuesly for probably 5 min before the life shorting shock begins.
I should do a test just to confirm!
I was already used to Navy showers from my previous 4 campers.

Continuous hot water while on full hookups!
I did have a modification on my 5th wheel for continuous hot water (mostly in an attempt to convince my wife and daughter to go camping with me). My 5th wheel had low point water drains that exited the trailer under on driver side. I installed some valves and garden hose connections to them. Then I purchased a small camping size tankless propane water heater like this one - https://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/eccotemp-l5-portable-outdoor-tankless-water-heater?a=1588405


Essentially the cold water hooked to the inlet fed the tankless heater and outlet (replace the shower head with hose to hot side drain on camper.
I closed one valve feeding my build in 6 gal hot water tank so no back feed through it.
Then we had long continuous hot water showers!

Note this only worked while at campground with full hookups for water/sewer where I left the Grey valve open.

In the Travato it’s just me and I’m used to using the cut off switch on shower head.
And I’m seldom if ever on camp ground sewer hookups.
So yea it’s a life of Navy showers!
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Old 11-17-2018, 02:51 PM   #3
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Are there waterproof holders to attach to walls to enclose a checklist of sorts? And likewise in other parts of the unit to act as memory joggers? I'm a retired pilot so I know the value of checklists, I plan to have laminated "walkaround," "pre-departure," and "shutdown" checklists available.
As many of you know with kids, you can explain something to them very carefully and they will look you in the eyes and nod in agreement, but they aren't listening to a word your saying.

Thanks in advance!
Not a pilot, but I very much support the use of checklists. You can get sheets of regular paper laminated at Office Max cheap, so you might just want to try there.

Now . . . . getting them to read it?
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Iím in a Travato 59K - Yes Navy showers. But I really think I could run the water continuesly for probably 5 min before the life shorting shock begins.
I should do a test just to confirm!
I was already used to Navy showers from my previous 4 campers.

Continuous hot water while on full hookups!
I did have a modification on my 5th wheel for continuous hot water (mostly in an attempt to convince my wife and daughter to go camping with me). My 5th wheel had low point water drains that exited the trailer under on driver side. I installed some valves and garden hose connections to them. Then I purchased a small camping size tankless propane water heater like this one - https://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/eccotemp-l5-portable-outdoor-tankless-water-heater?a=1588405


Essentially the cold water hooked to the inlet fed the tankless heater and outlet (replace the shower head with hose to hot side drain on camper.
I closed one valve feeding my build in 6 gal hot water tank so no back feed through it.
Then we had long continuous hot water showers!

Note this only worked while at campground with full hookups for water/sewer where I left the Grey valve open.

In the Travato itís just me and Iím used to using the cut off switch on shower head.
And Iím seldom if ever on camp ground sewer hookups.
So yea itís a life of Navy showers!
Wow! That's a great idea! Now you have me thinking. Wondering if you could rig it to provide the hot outdoor shower in the rear of the van? Would it fit mounted to the right side wall above the outside shower hose and a closed right rear door? That way people walking by would want your autograph because you're such a genius!
Thanks much
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Not a pilot, but I very much support the use of checklists. You can get sheets of regular paper laminated at Office Max cheap, so you might just want to try there.

Now . . . . getting them to read it?
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Good idea, thanks

Yea, the 1st thing my daughter said when I told her I was going to buy a Trovato was "Cool! I can take it to Burning Man!" ... It was then my turn to look her in the eyes and nod, thinking all the while "there's not a snowball's chance in h... that's going to happen."
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Old 11-17-2018, 03:32 PM   #6
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I was looking at a detail about the Travato on the Winnie website and saw the Truma Combi... not sure if it was standard or an option. If so, you would already have the option of unlimited hot water... as long as you are in a campground to be able to drain it.
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Old 11-17-2018, 03:50 PM   #7
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https://www.truma.com/us/en/faq/func...uma-combi.html

Now I'm a bit confused. Does it have to drain water as opposed to recirculating?
I'm an RV noob
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MrNomer and I can shower in less than gallon of water each—hair gets washed elsewhere. Our new "cartridge" system is now on my build blog.

https://msnomersvan.wordpress.com/20...-water-system/
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Old 11-17-2018, 06:58 PM   #9
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Truma Combi has about 2.5 gal. of hot (140F) water reservoir and over 4kW LP burner so it should provide warm shower water for as long as you have water. Water tank capacity is the major limitation unless you are connected to fresh water source.

Your future 4 gal. of water is at 140F so for shower it would be about 6 gal. of warm water. I recently posted Suburbanís table of recovery times on this forum, it can help you to assess times between showers.

I have 5kW Espar hydronic heater which can provide warm water on demand.
In regards to 17 gal showers, it would be a shower per fresh water tank.
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Old 11-17-2018, 07:20 PM   #10
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MrNomer and I can shower in less than gallon of water eachóhair gets washed elsewhere. Our new "cartridge" system is now on my build blog.

https://msnomersvan.wordpress.com/20...-water-system/
Can you provide a link to the heating element you used? Thanks.
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