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Old 02-11-2019, 11:45 PM   #41
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I'm not understanding this discussion at all. These people are, and long have been, PAID SPOKESPERSONS for a particular brand. This has always been perfectly obvious to me. They are not neutral journalists and I don't see where they have ever pretended to be. Expecting "credibility" from them is kind of like expecting neutral advice about chicken from Colonel Sanders.

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Old 02-11-2019, 11:59 PM   #42
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I realize that the Wendland’s have zero credibility with some people but keep in mind that among the 20,000 members of the Facebook group, the ones who post are very positive about the group and about Mike and Jennifer specifically. They find the information provided by the Wendland's to be very useful and the group to also be a good site without the typical drama found in a lot of other social media sites...

Maybe not your cup of tea but very well liked by a large group of people...
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Old 02-12-2019, 01:01 AM   #43
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This is all very hilarious.

I don't know who's more fake - Dean, or the Wendlands? Seems like a good fit though.

I'm just glad they have moved on from the Class B game!

Will their fanboys now say Class B van are junk and start buying LTV class C's? We can only hope!
Talk about fake. In his latest live video he called his new LTV the ubiquitous Class B+. Just like this forum...
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Old 02-12-2019, 01:06 AM   #44
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I am relatively new to the RV world and have been researching our first Class B rig. So I have been reading forums and watching YouTube videos to do research. I came across them when I watched them picking up their new 4x4 Roadtrek at a dealership. To me it looked like a couple purchasing and reviewing their new rig. They never said they bought it nor did they say it was on loan from the manufacturer.

I only casually watch their channel and admit I may have missed something. A while later they mentioned they were without a rig and were searching for a new one. Again as a casual viewer I thought they sold the 4x4 and were considering their next purchase. Then they show up with this last RV, I don’t remember them mentioning it was provided by Roadtrek. It wasn’t until the Roadtrek scandal broke that they specifically discussed the details of their “ambassadorship”.

To be clear I think they are very likable and provide interesting and informative content. It’s obvious they work very hard at what they do. However I feel deceived. To me they walked a fine line portraying actual owners. They are not, they are actors in an infomercial. I have to take anything they say about their loaned rigs as biased marketing info. An ambassador should be an actual owner who may receive some discounts or other perks for promoting the rig they choose to buy. Driving around rigs you never bought for years is a form of employment to me. Again as a casual viewer it is not apparent they were given the rigs and I feel they should make that disclaimer going into to each video.
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Old 02-12-2019, 01:18 AM   #45
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I'm not understanding this discussion at all. These people are, and long have been, PAID SPOKESPERSONS for a particular brand. This has always been perfectly obvious to me.
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Sorry but to many (myself included) I could not square how they were constantly trading up perfectly good Roadtreks (given their age). Mike kept referring to himself as a former journalist and I knew of his background.

I never knew about ambassadors (hence the reason I created the original post).


Here is what the SPJ says...
SPJ is the nation’s most broad-based journalism organization, dedicated to encouraging the free practice of journalism.

– Conflicts of interest

PRINCIPLE 3: Advertisers should clearly distinguish advertising, public relations and corporate communications from news and editorial content and entertainment, both online and offline...

If consumers are unaware the “news” or “entertainment” they are viewing actually is advertising, they are being misled and treated unethically.

– American Advertising Federation


Accountability and transparency

PRINCIPLE 4: Advertisers should clearly disclose all material conditions, such as payment or receipt of a free product, affecting endorsements in social and traditional channels, as well as the identity of endorsers, all in the interest of full disclosure and transparency.

– American Advertising Federation

For years I thought they were independent of Roadtrek and had arms-length distance from the company with the occasional invite to Roadtrek events and small gifts.

No restrictions full access to a Roadtrek owned vehicle is a material benefit that was not disclosed for YEARS and was deceptive in hindsight when they referred to the RVs as 'OUR NEW ROADTREK'.

Not a hater but this was clearly deceptive and intentionally misleading on their part
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Old 02-12-2019, 02:32 AM   #46
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I've been around the Class B internet crowd since 2004 when I bought my first rig. I had passed through Wendland's websites and youtubes... and always just assumed that he was paid by Roadtrek. It was totally obvious, but I never really researched it... didn't really care. I started reading the Roadtreking Facebook page when I was looking to get a smaller RV. That is when it became clear that it was nothing but a PR site. Then when I purchased one of the first Ecotrek systems that came from the factory and learned that I was merely an unpaid beta tester for a system that did NOT work... and when I went on Roadtreking and asked for help... they just banned me.

Personally it makes no sense for LTV to hire this guy to do promo for a company that has no need. These rigs sell as fast as they can make them... and the wait is still about 9 months to order last I heard.

I love Dean. He is openly and blatantly an employee, salesman, and cheerleader... and a damn nice man... as are all the many people at the factory that I got to know over the 4 years that I owned my Libero. I just wish that they still made a B...
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Old 02-12-2019, 10:06 AM   #47
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I'm not understanding this discussion at all. These people are, and long have been, PAID SPOKESPERSONS for a particular brand. This has always been perfectly obvious to me. They are not neutral journalists and I don't see where they have ever pretended to be. Expecting "credibility" from them is kind of like expecting neutral advice about chicken from Colonel Sanders.

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Totally agree "yes". They didn't need to tell me their situation for me to form beliefs they had arraingments. I really do not care.

Still, I am new to the RV word (~2-years) and have learned much from many people including the Wendlands. I would never buy anything I didn't fully research and make my own decision.

I once got an idea from the FitRv. I liked the idea, just not the product they were showing. I did my own research and purchased a different product. I still learned from them and appreciated their blog on it.

It is pretty entertaining to look at the 2-sites on Facebook. One has the members praising them and Jim H while they all sell their vans to purchase "B+'s" while the owners group are planning a rally to go to the sentencing this summer and want the Wendlands and Jim H to share a cell.
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It is pretty entertaining to look at the 2-sites on Facebook. One has the members praising them and Jim H while they all sell their vans to purchase "B+'s" while the owners group are planning a rally to go to the sentencing this summer and want the Wendlands and Jim H to share a cell.
Surely you are exaggerating? I've never frequented their sites but goes to show how emotions can run high and people can see the same situation differently.
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Old 02-12-2019, 10:37 AM   #49
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Surely you are exaggerating? I've never frequented their sites but goes to show how emotions can run high and people can see the same situation differently.
LOL...I am not joking...I think those folks feel they have been so loyal on that group that they are simply following that path. My wife likes that site for "trip ideas" mostly but it is entertaining reading both back to back.
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Old 02-12-2019, 12:07 PM   #50
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Problem with Mike and Jennifer to us is they have zero believability about anything they endorse after the Roadtrek fiasco being that they were and still are with other things, paid endorsers....
The problem I've had with them is that their information baud rate is way too low, and they tend to promote both gender and socioeconomic class stereotypes during the course of being paid endorsers. They both love to hear themselves talk, and the more they can stretch and hype thin content until it screams, the better. And it isn't even their content - it's just recycled general knowledge.

There is, of course, no law that says that every paid endorser ought to approach the gig with a new paradigm in mind - the Wendlands been very successful doing what they do, exactly how they do it. But it does rub me the wrong way that they are more hat than cattle without having the grace to admit it up front.
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