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Old 02-24-2019, 05:02 PM   #31
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Why is Airstream and the new "Nineteen" being discussed here?
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Old 02-24-2019, 09:33 PM   #32
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Why is Airstream and the new "Nineteen" being discussed here?

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I'm not sure what you mean by your post. I went back twice and skimmed this thread for a mention of the Airstream Interstate '19 (aka Shorty). Didn't find any mention, although I could have missed it.
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Old 02-24-2019, 10:07 PM   #33
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It is a boon for the other Class B companies or an opportunity for others to come in. I think it is still too early to tell. Most existing companies are at maximum capacity now before the EHGNA debacle.

As far as wet baths are concerned I think the thing most miss is it is a way to clean a very confined space with regularity. With three Class Bs under our belt I know the toilet produces a lot of smells and believe it or not a lot of foul spray in the air and adjacent surfaces. Come on, you can see it in any bathroom and this is a confined tiny space. The shower function allows you to clean it periodically even if you tendency it to use the campground 5+ minute full spray luxury showers.

Besides you need at least 30” x 30” separate shower to get a truly luxurious shower and where are you going to get that in a B?

As far as a composting toilet goes, I am not about being an “About Schmidt” and sitting on a toilet and can’t aim all that well in a pee bucket anyway or carry the bucket through the van every other day.
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Old 02-24-2019, 10:16 PM   #34
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It is a boon for the other Class B companies or an opportunity for others to come in. I think it is still too early to tell. Most existing companies are at maximum capacity now before the EHGNA debacle.

As far as wet baths are concerned I think the thing most miss is it is a way to clean a very confined space with regularity. With three Class Bs under our belt I know the toilet produces a lot of smells and believe it or not a lot of foul spray in the air and adjacent surfaces. Come on, you can see it in any bathroom and this is a confined tiny space. The shower function allows you to clean it periodically even if you tendency it to use the campground 5+ minute full spray luxury showers.

Besides you need at least 30” x 30” separate shower to get a truly luxurious shower and where are you going to get that in a B?

As far as a composting toilet goes, I am not about being an “About Schmidt” and sitting on a toilet and can’t aim all that well in a pee bucket anyway or carry the bucket through the van every other day.
David, as I recall, You have the definitive post concerning #1 and 2 stuff, just can't find it at the moment.

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Old 02-26-2019, 12:37 AM   #35
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Yes shower: that’s actually why I traded out of my WGO ERA 70 (with closet type tiny bath) to a Travato 59K with rear bath that I can actually stand in without having curtains or walls touching me!

But I’m living in mine 4-5 days a week as I travel my sales territory.

So some of us require a usable shower space.
Choices in the market are good.
I also think there is room in the under $90k market so hopefully someone steps up to fill it.
But cheap crap will not cut it, nobody wants that either!
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Old 02-26-2019, 07:57 AM   #36
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As a future purchaser... yeah, I'd love to see more options out there, but lower cost options. I will not be buying a premium model. My list was basically this:

Travato 59GL
Travato 59KL
Aktiv 2.0
Carado Banff

Now, the cheapest I've seen a 2019 Travato 59GL was right at $100k. That might be a bit beyond what I will be comfortable spending. I've seen Sunshine Van Twos (Carado Banff) for under $70k, which will be much more attainable to me.

Basically I think there will be greater sales volumes of vans at the lower price ends than at the top ends. Interest in vans has grown a ton, and if manufacturers can close the gap between home built conversions and their lower end models, I think they can gain sales.
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You owe it to yourself to go look at all of those.
I was attracted to the low price of the Carado Banff but after a close look and side by side comparison to a Travato K with same layout, it was obvious the quality was much less.
I’m my case there was a $17k difference (Travato was $82k). But the bath was so much nicer, the beds much nicer, Travato has Truma combi furnace & water heater, convection oven. The Carado just had a cheap feel to me.
I’ve had 4 RV previously, all trailers 2 bumper pull and a 5th wheel. This was my first drivable. So much easier no trailer hassles. And those all had noisy furnaces, but this Truma is really fantastic. I was shocked how quiet it is and efficient, it sips propane compared to my previous furnaces.
I’m not saying there isn’t a buyer for the Carado. I guess if you’re just shopping for the low price and want new - well the old saying goes you get what you pay for.
If pricing alone was driving my decision - I’d wait to find a used class B that is in perfect shape but has already deprecated significantly.
Even if it’s 10 years old! I’ve seen a few older B’s that the owners took great care but didn’t use very much that were super nice in the $20k to $30k range.
If I was doing this again that’s what I’d look for.
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... I've seen Sunshine Van Twos (Carado Banff) for under $70k, which will be much more attainable to me.
I would avoid Camping World and stick with the Banff version. CW is famous for a zillon add ons to your negotiated price. And in the current market, it shouldn't be much over $50K... out the door.

There are quite a few Avions out there with $48K price tags right now and they are normally more expensive than the Banff.
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With Roadtrek/Hymer/Carado/EGHNA gone, that takes out an entire market segment of class "B"s. Now, your cheapest "B" is now a Winnebago Travato.

I wonder if small companies/upfitters would be able to fill this void. There were some van floorplans that Carado had, which were completely unique, like the one with their 17 foot model with a pop-top. It is short enough to run around and park in a single place, but unlike the Pleasure way model, it also provides a bathroom and shower.

Right now, the only real players for full "B"s in the low end is Winnebago.

Wonder what company would step into the "entry level" class "B" range, if any?
I think there was always room for more players in the class B market. Most of the existing class B producers offer terrible build quality, in my opinion, including Roadtrek before their demise. There is always room for more builders who will offer a quality product that is built to last and is worth the high prices in this segment. Class B builders, and the RV industry as a whole, must do better!
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I have no desire to reignite the "do you use your bathroom" tempest, except to say that for us the bathroom is second only to the bed in importance and value. I agree that the difficulty and expense of fabricating a proper one-piece plastic wet bath is the biggest obstacle to DIYers and also the biggest barrier to entry of new players.
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During the decision process for my DIY I considered a full height walled wet shower, an extendable wall à la Safari Condo and their sliding door cassette with seating. The winner was the cassette – the Potoman. The decision was based on design objectives, open space, 360 view and no need for permanent shower. Manufacturing difficulties of a full enclosure didn’t sway my decision at all. In fact, is would be an easy task especially with 1” 8020 profile framed enclosure with custom or manufactured pan.

Certainly for a lower cost production a single enclosure with an incorporated toilet would be better, for that I would search EU for fiberglass enclosures or today would copy the new Adria.
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