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Old 06-16-2018, 02:52 AM   #1
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Default Aktiv vs Travato 59g Black Water Dumping

Hymer Aktiv has the five gal cassette for black water. Travato 59g has the 11-gallon black water tank.

I don't see myself wheeling the cassette into some public bathroom, and then gagging for a couple of minutes as I dump it into a toilet.

Being right "there" for dumping it into an RV waste dump also sounds very unpleasant.

The Russo's, on YouTube, say they don't use their cassette toilet for "solid" waste. But I want a toilet I can use. Is this as big of a deal breaker as it seems?

Any Aktiv owners out there who really use their toilet?
  • What is the dumping experience like?
  • How long does it take to drain the five gal cassette into a toilet?
  • How much splashing is there?
  • How much smell is there?
  • How often do you have to dump the 5-gallon tank?
  • How hard is it to remove and dump the full, 40 lb., cassette?
  • Where do you dump? (Public restrooms? Gas stations? Rest stops? Dump stations, only?)
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Old 06-16-2018, 01:04 PM   #2
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Hymer Aktiv has the five gal cassette for black water. Travato 59g has the 11-gallon black water tank.

I don't see myself wheeling the cassette into some public bathroom, and then gagging for a couple of minutes as I dump it into a toilet.

Being right "there" for dumping it into an RV waste dump also sounds very unpleasant.

The Russo's, on YouTube, say they don't use their cassette toilet for "solid" waste. But I want a toilet I can use. Is this as big of a deal breaker as it seems?

Any Aktiv owners out there who really use their toilet?
  • What is the dumping experience like? No Problems so far, you lug it over to the dump location and tip it into the place to dump and push the vent button. I then add some water to the cassette and swish it around and dump it again. Add about 4 oz of tank treatment and some water and done...
  • How long does it take to drain the five gal cassette into a toilet? 5-10 seconds
  • How much splashing is there? Not any if you are careful
  • How much smell is there? Not much, we use a Thetford tank treatment chemical
  • How often do you have to dump the 5-gallon tank? 3 days for two of us and we use it for both, not just pee, and we put RV toilet paper into the cassette.
  • How hard is it to remove and dump the full, 40 lb., cassette? Not hard for me and ours is 5 ft off the ground and we have no wheels on one of our cassettes and I am an old geezer...
  • Where do you dump? (Public restrooms? Gas stations? Rest stops? Dump stations, only?) So far, pit toilets, dump stations, rest areas, toilets at homes, sewer pipe at full service campsites. If out in the wilderness away from a spot to dump and we had filled both of our cassettes, I would dig a hole and dump it but only after confirming with the BLM or Forest Service that it was allowed and what the rules were in terms of distance away from water sources, etc.
We don’t have an Aktiv but we do have a cassette... See answers inserted into the quote...
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Thanks, this is very helpful. Addresses one of my three biggest concerns with the Aktiv vs. the Travato 59g. Now I just have to figure out if I can live the smaller shower and smaller, lower fridge.
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I agree with Greg's comments. There are a lot of strong opinions about cassettes as you will see researching this subject. The bulk of RVs in NA have black water tanks, the rest of the World use cassettes exclusively; it is good to have a choice in NA.

I have the cassette toilet in my conversion of 144WB Sprinter. We use it primely for #1 but sometimes for #2. Having a spare cassette gives me 10-gal total volume. We only use the extra cassette if walking to a dumping place is too long. I found one place in UK selling cassettes for much less than in US.

After each camping trip I clean the cassette thoroughly and never had an odor issue with van in our garage.

Having experience with both systems I see dumping displeasure with both but having some bad experience with dreadfully dirty dumping stations I am finding that annoyance of dumping a cassette is more predictable.

The main benefit of a black tank is its volume and in consequence lower frequency of dumping.

The main benefit for cassette is availability of more dumping places from dumping stations to pit toilets.

For me the additional benefit of easy cleaning is important and it is not really possible with a black tank system.

The main disadvantage of a cassette is its weight, it is on wheels, but you still need to lift it to a toilet height so for some it could be a problem. My back is not in good shape but I have no issues. A cassette has ergonomically placed handles and vent pushbutton is within thumb's reach during dumping. There is a review on line of dumping a porta potty container with the fellow twisting his back while dumping to prove he didn’t like it, I think he was advertising a “composting” toilet.
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I ask out of ignorance not humor, but when a cassette toilet is dumped, for example, in a toilet, do you actually see #2s or does it break down?
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I ask out of ignorance not humor, but when a cassette toilet is dumped, for example, in a toilet, do you actually see #2s or does it break down?
There is no macerator pump, so what you deposit in is what you see among toilet paper and a lot of fluid. But from a 3’ distance the resolving power of your eye is insufficient to diagnose what food was eaten and if it was digested properly.
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Yes, I purchased our spare C200 cassette on ebay from Jackson Leisure Supplies in the UK. Couldn’t find any for sale in the U.S. and the price from the UK for things these days is pretty good even with any shipping cost. It was the latest version with the wheels. The one that came with ours was the older cassette without the wheels.
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I ask out of ignorance not humor, but when a cassette toilet is dumped, for example, in a toilet, do you actually see #2s or does it break down?
Depends on how long since you made the deposit

It does break down in most cases, at least it does using the Thetford tank treatment, but it takes a little while for that to happen...

I don’t recall seeing any solids, in any case, but you can notice that solids are being dumped by the sound and the feel. And when I rinse it out with some added water I have noticed on occasion that there is some solid matter that hadn’t dumped with the first dump. Second time always cleans it all the way out. I have never been bothered by a smell or by the process but that may just be me...

It is much less trouble than changing poopy diapers...
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Thank you! I really appreciate your response. That makes me feel better about a cassette toilet. It's probably not nearly as bad as one's imagination can make it. Lol

I'm still searching for a rig and like the Aktiv. If Hymer would budge more from the msrp like WBO does, I might be able to own one. I like the slightly shorter length of the Aktiv VS the 59G. With the Aktiv, I believe they don't come off the price as much because they work in the cost of the 6 year warranty. Dealers use it as a selling point but it ain't free! If you buy a RT, you are paying for possible warranty work.
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We have always had black tanks and dumping was no big deal. It was really simple and not messy at all to just attach the hose and pull the lever. We did wear gloves, but it just wasn't messy. We did not encounter dirty dump locations - maybe just lucky. There was very little odor, generally speaking.
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