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Old 08-15-2017, 12:10 PM   #1
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We have a pleasureway lexor ts and while all the features on it are excellent we have had some issues with it. Namely the loud crashing going over sharp little road edges. Some we have fixed some like the microwave shelf not being screwed in and cabinet doors not adjusted etc..

The other issues like seat comfort can't do much about. However, we had noticed that at any speed over 60 mph the van gets increasingly sensitive to drive. So took it in for an alignment!

The rear axle thrust angle is out and can't be adjusted! Since it has been this way from new, any suggestions. Dodge will say it's the coach builder, coach builder will say it's dodge problem...you get the picture.

We had planned several long trips which would involve interstate travel but van doesn't like to travel at those speeds. Does any b class van?

Lastly Anyone know of a way to fix? Alignment shop said no adjustment at all and go see dodge or coach builder.

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Old 08-15-2017, 12:25 PM   #2
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The rear axle thrust angle is out and can't be adjusted! Since it has been this way from new, any suggestions. Dodge will say it's the coach builder, coach builder will say it's dodge problem...you get the picture.
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Don't take BS like that. A lot of the dealers are lazy and will talk their way out of doing anything.

Go to an independent truck wheel and alignment shop.
They will make it right for you.
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Some people installed SumoSpring in their RV.
It is a rubber-like spongy spacer to dampen the suspension.

It might help.
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That's what I did! This is the second alignment. First done at dodge dealer, they just walked away! Will approach them again with latest evidence.

Should these vans comfortably cruise at 70 without lotsa steering input? Maybe I'm asking too much?

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Yup had sumos on since day one..helped with swaying a lot. Asked independent shop if it could have caused the problem. He said nope.
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Should these van comfortably cruise at 70 without lotsa steering input? Maybe I'm asking too much?

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At 70, way too much input for a sports car, but for a 1 ton truck, not so bad.
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Old 08-15-2017, 02:21 PM   #7
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Go to a shop that specializes in truck springs and alignment. I had a rear spring problem with my RT 210 ( which is close to GVW in any event) and they were ably to assist when dealers or RV places had no clue.
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How far is the thrust angle off? Is it out of the "official" manufacturer spec.?

Normally, thrust angle would be more related to dog tracking and steering wheel centering, possible pull to on side sometimes. With the rear axle not being a fixed drive axle, it is possible that the rear wheels are toed out a lot and different side to side, that might mess up the stability.

Thrust angle can be fixed on a unibody, they do it on wrecked cars all the time, but it isn't a pretty procedure and shouldn't be done on a new vehicle. If by some chance the rear axle is bad, that could be easily replaced.

Wandering and wind pushing around would more likely be understeer symptoms or front alignment settings (sometimes even if they are within specs).

For stability you would normally want to have as much positive caster as you can get and maybe 1/8 to 1/4 degree of positive camber and toe in per toe spec middle of range, and not toed out (you have front drive so they might call toe out, but you don't see that much any more)

Understeer, if that is the issue is normally addressed by the rear sway bar size if you have one, or adding one if you don't. The Sumo springs should have helped the wander somewhat as they would stiffen the rear spring rate a bit.

Higher front tire pressure may also help a lot as that can reduce undetsteer.
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How far is the thrust angle off? Is it out of the "official" manufacturer spec.?

Normally, thrust angle would be more related to dog tracking and steering wheel centering, possible pull to on side sometimes. With the rear axle not being a fixed drive axle, it is possible that the rear wheels are toed out a lot and different side to side, that might mess up the stability.

Thrust angle can be fixed on a unibody, they do it on wrecked cars all the time, but it isn't a pretty procedure and shouldn't be done on a new vehicle. If by some chance the rear axle is bad, that could be easily replaced.

Wandering and wind pushing around would more likely be understeer symptoms or front alignment settings (sometimes even if they are within specs).

For stability you would normally want to have as much positive caster as you can get and maybe 1/8 to 1/4 degree of positive camber and toe in per toe spec middle of range, and not toed out (you have front drive so they might call toe out, but you don't see that much any more)

Understeer, if that is the issue is normally addressed by the rear sway bar size if you have one, or adding one if you don't. The Sumo springs should have helped the wander somewhat as they would stiffen the rear spring rate a bit.

Higher front tire pressure may also help a lot as that can reduce undetsteer.
Yes, the alignment was to factory specs. Even so went to dodge dealer today with the detailed alignment print out and was essentially told to get lost, it was not their problem. He (the service manager) said nothing we can do for you, call dodge if you want.

I will never buy from this American junk mfg again. What a piss-off! He (the service manager) even said it was either hit or the coach builder had modified the frame or I had damaged the truck! Can you believe it?

Spent the day trying to find someone locally to fix it. No luck up here. Debating options. But I can tell you one thing. I hope dodge ( Chrysler) goes belly up. They deserve it. No accountability anymore, just total BS....sorry I'm that pissed!

Hell I even had to remove the five running lights on the roof and seal them because they where full of water! He couldnt do. Just like replacing missing antenna!

It has not been a good experience getting into b class ownership. We obviously lucked out and bought the wrong van for us.

At least the ole westie just keep chugging along and didn't cost what this thing did! Of course that was 25 years ago!

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Hi All

Just to let you know that we sold our 2017 Lexor TS at a quite a loss back to the RV dealer. We did this when and AFTER BATTLING Dodge Canada who eventually decided after a month or more they would not honour the warranty help us with the bent rear axle! God knows what the warranty covers and is worth down the road. We decided, not very much.

We even had the issue brought up to the coach builders divisional dodge area rep hoping with their help we might get some action. Nothing happened. Dodge claimed it had no warranty with the coach builder!

After many calls to “Dodge central” and visiting our local dealerships we were finally advised by dodge that since our pleasureway van had been modified the warranty claim was closed and therefore useless to us!

No one wanted to help us get this fixed, no one. Can you imagine the future with this van? We did and decided it was not worth it for us to continue with it, the van must have been a lemon. There were many other smaller issues that the local dodge dealer would not even look at! That we decided would wait for more important axle and frame fix.

Also tried here in Ontario to just replace the beam axle ( at my expense) in the rear and straighten things out but those shops called never even returned our calls.

I STRONGLY suggest that anyone considering this chassis as a B class van might want to seriously rethink your potential relationship with Dodge. It was as we found out not worth the paper it’s written on.

Had we heard of this warranty refusal problem (not uncommon on pro master forums) with dodge before we bought the van we most certainly wouldn’t have bought it in the first place. We would have like stayed with the original sprinter idea. Yah, I know hind sight is perfect right.

I assume at some point other owners will have problems with these vans like we did and will look for warranty assistance. Good luck to them, we wish them well, Hell, my dealer wouldn’t even seal the five roof lights that were full of water! Or look at anything else on the van. I hope you all fared better than we did.

Anyway, another dream down the drain for now.
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