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Old 07-01-2017, 04:45 PM   #21
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You're right the SeeGrins website is awful. Their first Axion just rolled off the truck on Wednesday, so they probably won't update for a while.

SeeGrins Roadtrek specialist is Bob Walden: 408 482 1984

He can tell you when they'll put up the listing.
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Old 07-01-2017, 05:00 PM   #22
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One is heading here to MN at Hilltop in the next 2-3 weeks.

Definitely need to see it in person... to see how much would need to be... adjusted.

But thanks...
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Old 07-01-2017, 05:12 PM   #23
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If you stay every nite in a $75/day campground a combo tank is fine.

This tiny van is not a family RV.

My guess is that this small a van is going to be used a lot as a 2-person road van, where you're going from motel to motel but want amenities on the road. A cassette toilet would negate needing to find a dump station. The gray tank wouldn't be used that much, and if you had to just dump it it's not going to endanger anybody.

It's hard to imagine this tiny unit being used as a two person camper--it seems about the right size for one, plus maybe a dog. At less developed campgrounds campers shower outdoors or dump dishwater on the ground and probably have at least vault toilets to empty the cassette but no available dump station.

A setup like the Aktiv seems ideal to me. No need to seek out/pay for a dump station and no macerator failure anxiety. It would seem easy to do here.
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Old 07-01-2017, 05:51 PM   #24
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A perspective, this van is about 15” – 26.5” longer than our 77/85 VW Westfalias, our 144” WB sprinter is about 4.5’ to a whopping 5.5’ longer and we think it is small. Just wonder how we could have managed camping then with 3 kids, what have changed, hamburgers?
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Old 07-01-2017, 11:58 PM   #25
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More pictures from another Canadian dealer:

[URL="http://www.sicardrv.com/rv-inventory/new/motorhome/2017-carado-axion-axion/537757/"]

Sorry don't know how to make the link work.

Can't find anything on a Hymer website tho'.
http://www.sicardrv.com/rv-inventory...-axion/537757/
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Interesting gymnastics to get to the bathroom at night from rather small bed. For a small van, the 44 gal of total black and grey water waste is a lot unless it is a typo.
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Someone said it fills a niche, but there no niche for trash. Or there shouldnt be at least. This thing is price almost at what a new Travato costs. A used Travato is less money and 10x the quality!

This industry as a whole sells 95% junk. Hate to see that people keep falling into it. Buy a used unit from a good builder before buying one of these junk units new. Your investment is almost completely lost soon as you drive it off the lot.
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This is obviously targeting the single traveler. NOT families. Hymer was originally making the Sonne to target singles, but decided that the rig was too quirky (lots of negatives from the internet and from their dealers), so this is their re-design. Then they apparently decided to build it as a Carado... their cheap line. BUT... even so, it comes with lithium, solar, and underhood generator for those that like this new technology.

It is one 22 gallon gray/black tank. More than enough for one person. Obviously a platform this small has no space for two 22 gal tanks. LOL

It also targets those of us who can't even consider a Travato because of size. I need short... the shorter the better. Plus they don't have the underhood generator and I will never own another gawdawful Onan.

And there is obviously a niche for these... since as you pointed out the RV market is 95% trash. LOL Obviously a big market...

I've been reading for years on here and on RV Net with some people endlessly complaining that there are no cheap options for those that don't want or can't afford Corian or marble counter tops and such fancy expensive conversions. Well... here's an option for them.
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This is obviously targeting the single traveler. NOT families. Hymer was originally making the Sonne to target singles, but decided that the rig was too quirky (lots of negatives from the internet and from their dealers), so this is their re-design. Then they apparently decided to build it as a Carado... their cheap line. BUT... even so, it comes with lithium, solar, and underhood generator for those that like this new technology.

It is one 22 gallon gray/black tank. More than enough for one person. Obviously a platform this small has no space for two 22 gal tanks. LOL

It also targets those of us who can't even consider a Travato because of size. I need short... the shorter the better. Plus they don't have the underhood generator and I will never own another gawdawful Onan.

And there is obviously a niche for these... since as you pointed out the RV market is 95% trash. LOL Obviously a big market...

I've been reading for years on here and on RV Net with some people endlessly complaining that there are no cheap options for those that don't want or can't afford Corian or marble counter tops and such fancy expensive conversions. Well... here's an option for them.
For a single person, this is likely a perfect layout van. Just from pictures it is difficult to judge the fit and finish but I would assume Hymer has already learned from their experience with their Camping World venture.
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...but I would assume Hymer has already learned from their experience with their Camping World venture.
That may be an inaccurate assumption as they are still building and selling the Sunlight/Banff in CA and the US. The Axion has a few fixes in the galley area I noted in the photo. Hard to tell where else. Time will tell...
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