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Old 04-25-2012, 01:14 AM   #1
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Default Rear Window Air Conditioner



I'm going to go with a rear window Air Conditioner.......... Not elegant, but very practical.
I have solar panels on the roof that I don't want to move.



Plus 3 feet of the original metal van roof was left in place in the rear of my van and it is directly under where the roof air would go. That space is invaluable for storage.
I would have had to build a box between the original metal roof and the fiberglass roof and mount the interior part of the roof air under the metal roof. That would require various extension pieces etc. Move the solar panels. Basically, a tremendous amount of work.

I'll get it from Class B Van manufacturer Safari Condo. http://www.safaricondo.com/index_eng.php
Their solution is the best I've seen. http://www.safaricondo.com/acces/aireng.php







The cost won't be that much less than roof air when you factor in that I have to go to Quebec to pick it up as they don't ship it. The package includes the air conditioner.
5000 btu should be good enough for us. Summer in the Maritimes is pleasant. I won't be going to FL or AZ in the Summer.

I will try to run this on an inverter. Not on a regular basis but just to see if I can. I think it could work. The specs show 485 watts and 4.5 amps AC running. The real question will be can my setup handle the start-up surge.

Is there such a thing as a 120v capacitor that would help? Something like this maybe: http://www.hvacpartsoutlet.com/compress ... cspp5.aspx
Is there something like it that can be plugged into an outlet?
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Default Re: Rear Window Air Conditioner

excellent solution,as i dont have roof air and only a 15 amp hookup.any idea what it cost?
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Old 04-29-2012, 12:36 AM   #3
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Yes - $695. includes the air conditioner. Not cheap but it is limited production.
It has stainless steel brackets for the inside and the upholstered piece you see. Outside cover is fiberglass.
It is designed to replace the rear window. You can switch back and forth between the window and the A/C depending on the season.
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Old 07-19-2012, 11:03 PM   #4
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I went ahead with this purchase and installed the air conditioner from Safari Condo in my GMC Savana van. The a/c unit kit seems well built. This a/c kit is made to replace the rear window. Take off the window and install the a/c then remove it and put the window back in when the a/c is not needed. I added 3 extra brackets when I installed it because it will be a permanent fixture in my van.





Cutting out the window sized hole in the rear door was not as hard as I though it would be. I wasted some time with hole saws, hacksaw and tin snips before putting a new fine tooth metal cutting blade in my cheap jigsaw and cutting the hole. It easy to do with the jigsaw. I protected the surrounding paint with a layer of green painters tape and a layer or tuck tape for extra protection on top of the green tape. The green tape peeled off easily when the cutting was done. Tuck tape adheres too well to use it alone for a job like this. You'd probably never get it off.

I cut the top edge first and the put some tape there so the panel couldn't fall out.





I smoothed the edges and painted them with some enamel paint and a small brush.



The weather strip molding filled that gap. A van rear door with a factory window would not have a gap as the inner and outer sheet metal would be joined.
I put a small pre-glued piece of trim molding on the metal first then applied weather strip glue and installed the large weather strip molding. The small trim filled the cavity in the large molding.





The a/c housing is "clamped" to the van with "L" shaped stainless steel brackets. The kit comes with 5 and I added 3 because I want this to be a permanent installation.



The kit came with interior trim.







I made a temporary cover to use in case I ever have to remove the air conditioner housing.





The air conditioner came pre-installed the fiberglass housing. It is a 5200 btu Fedders a/c and it comes with a remote control and has a timer etc.
5200 btu isn't enough cooling for Florida or Arizona in the summer but it should be adequate for what I need. The fiberglass housing is big enough to hold a larger a/c unit if ever needed.
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Looks good. How secure is it, in an anti-theft sense?
It might look very attractive to someone who doesn't have a/c, but does own a GM van, and a portable
drill, and some appropriate bits or sockets.
Sorry, "Devil's Advocate" question.
The power consumption numbers sound pretty reasonable. If we end up keeping the Roadtrek,
and my roof air ever goes, I might have to consider getting one of those.
Or, replacing the existing one with a smaller capacity unit like the one you have now.
I'm not sure 5,000 BTU wouldn't be enough for us. As you say, wouldn't expect it to work in
AZ in August, but for cooling down before bed, after dark, it might do the trick. I could run it
off the Onan, where you run yours off a combination of the coach batteries and the alternator.
I'd probably revisit adding a higher capacity inverter, and solar too, and the wish list keeps growing.......
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Re: Security - I think it is pretty good.
A determined person might be able to break the fiberglass with effort similar or greater than prying or breaking a window.
The A/C is screwed in well and it is also caulked. The open is fairly high up and the opening is too small for access.
Safari Condo had security in mind and used stainless steel stove bolts. There is no way to get a tool on them from the outside. I used the same bolts for my temporary cover.

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I'd say so. I had to ask, because I couldn't quite see the bolt heads in the previous pics.
Well, that's it then?
Next project?
I'm still thinking we may get out east again this year, but the longer it takes us to get settled,
the more likely we are to wait until 2013.
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Old 07-21-2012, 03:52 PM   #8
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Marko, that is a slick set-up. I'd think others who have bought a van without the air would find this a solution. The photos and stats about the battery drain will answer the mail for a person wondering if they could do this. Being able to remove and cover that void in short order is really a great feature. You even picked up so added storage on top of it, cool. Safe travels.
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Thanks Ron. I'll post more data re: outside and inside temperatures and how effective a 5200 btu a/c is (or isn't) after I use it while camping.

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...............Next project?................
Maybe a small generator to run this if I need it for more than a few hours. A 28lb Yamaha EF1000iS 47dBA - 57 dBA might be the one. A company in Bangor converts them to run on propane which would be a good option for me with the diesel van. I'll make sure the A/C cools well enough before looking into the generator though.
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Is that this one? Central Maine Diesel?
I can't recall why I was searching for a triple fuel generator, but it would give you maximum flexibility in fuel choice. They can run on LNG, Propane, or gasoline. They also make diesel models, but probably not practical due to size and weight.
http://www.generatorsales.com/
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