Sorry to resurrect a somewhat dated thread but it was an interesting read. Soooo, what did the OP end up with? An Agile I assume? And how has it worked out? With time having passed since this thread started, my personal opinion is that the 4 cylinder 7 speed combo is now a proven winner - in the under 20' vans. Interesting too to see the changes / improvements (in some cases) that the Ascent and Agile have endured as the years click by.