AI campers

[GeorgeRa]

Welcome in the camping world of AI, or should I call it AU - Alternative Universe, try to read logos such as MEREDES. What is missing is a cassette toilet built into a driver seat, stealthy but stinky.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2CEDfL59po

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNGBtgnPMh4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqh1CRUkHtE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2pvaan3jf0

[mumkin]

AUDI?

Is the last one supposed to be a KIA?

Are these the ones appearing on those weird RV ads that show up regularly on my screen? That rarely ever look real except the ones that have stolen LTV photos.

[GeorgeRa]

Originally Posted by mumkin

AUDI?

Is the last one supposed to be a KIA?

Are these the ones appearing on those weird RV ads that show up regularly on my screen? That rarely ever look real except the ones that have stolen LTV photos.

I am struggling to understand why someone would make and publish these fakes. It took some effort, not much due to AI, but some human intervention was necessary. So, my question is about the profit, how can someone make money by making these fakes, is it just for fun?

[RTRanger]

They make money by you clicking on it!

[mumkin]

Originally Posted by RTRanger

They make money by you clicking on it!

Not from me they don't. In all my years of spending way too much time online, I have never once clicked on an ad. lol

But it clearly works as they keep doing it.

[GeorgeRa]

A friend sent me this Mercedes camper link so I thought OK, Mercedes is following VW Westfalia steps of seventies. Once I looked at a galley on the right side of the front passenger seat, I realized it was a fake. Once I clicked on this link other link showed up, difficult life in this AI generated alternative universe. I will learn how to recognize fake by its front video picture without clicking, but unfortunately these fakes will likely become more believable in the future.

[Bud]

Click Bate is on Every Page of the internet. There are 894,838,497,008,849,075,000.004 pages. Someone did the math. It works.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2xHZPH5Sng

[GeorgeRa]

Originally Posted by Bud

Click Bate is on Every Page of the internet. There are 894,838,497,008,849,075,000.004 pages. Someone did the math. It works.

Interesting, there is going to be a point when clickbait saturation will undermine usefulness of u-tube or other media to the point of total rejection. For me a personal example is my distrust to TV quasi news, I don’t recall when I last time looked at TV news.

Back to the RV world, having a camper designed and manufactured by van manufacturers folks could be good for us, consumers.

[booster]

Originally Posted by GeorgeRa

Interesting, there is going to be a point when clickbait saturation will undermine usefulness of u-tube or other media to the point of total rejection. For me a personal example is my distrust to TV quasi news, I don’t recall when I last time looked at TV news.

Back to the RV world, having a camper designed and manufactured by van manufacturers folks could be good for us, consumers.

Clickbate may actually lead to downfall of many different parts of the internet.


Websites aren't charity operations and need income to survive, and advertising is the main way to do it right now. The pricing model is the problem, I think, as they pay for for number of clicks on the link, and not on the sales that come from the contact. This encourages the ad folks to put the doofy looking guy, or the women in the two sizes too small T shirt in the link pitch. Until the model changes to be actual sales benefits, this will continue, I think. Temu is absolutely the worst for this. None of their links go to the interesting looking product in the link bait.


I like the idea of a consumer driven class b design, but I don't think it can be a finished product type adventure initially because of the large costs involved and the fact the contributors are going to be spread out all over the country. How do you build vans when all you manufacturing gurus are not in the factory, for instance.


What I could see working would be for IT geeks to put together a design package tailored to class b van design, which really is pretty basic in the big picture of manufacturing processes. Put online it could be clearing house for all the "what if" dreamers that we all are, the designers that would have decide if any of it worked and if it could work together, and the manufacturing types that would be able to determine if it could be actually built for a price that would make viable. The good is that if everyone did manage to come up with a few innovative and popular designs, finding existing small builders would probably not be horribly difficult if they got enough help and were willing to accept it.


Interesting idea, but most of the talent that would be available to do it and can afford the time to do it, are already retired like many of us here. This could make it unrealistic to do any of it beyond the design concepts.

[GeorgeRa]

Originally Posted by booster

Clickbate may actually lead to downfall of many different parts of the internet.


Websites aren't charity operations and need income to survive, and advertising is the main way to do it right now. The pricing model is the problem, I think, as they pay for for number of clicks on the link, and not on the sales that come from the contact. This encourages the ad folks to put the doofy looking guy, or the women in the two sizes too small T shirt in the link pitch. Until the model changes to be actual sales benefits, this will continue, I think. Temu is absolutely the worst for this. None of their links go to the interesting looking product in the link bait.


I like the idea of a consumer driven class b design, but I don't think it can be a finished product type adventure initially because of the large costs involved and the fact the contributors are going to be spread out all over the country. How do you build vans when all you manufacturing gurus are not in the factory, for instance.


What I could see working would be for IT geeks to put together a design package tailored to class b van design, which really is pretty basic in the big picture of manufacturing processes. Put online it could be clearing house for all the "what if" dreamers that we all are, the designers that would have decide if any of it worked and if it could work together, and the manufacturing types that would be able to determine if it could be actually built for a price that would make viable. The good is that if everyone did manage to come up with a few innovative and popular designs, finding existing small builders would probably not be horribly difficult if they got enough help and were willing to accept it.


Interesting idea, but most of the talent that would be available to do it and can afford the time to do it, are already retired like many of us here. This could make it unrealistic to do any of it beyond the design concepts.

Growth of DIY conversions in recent years is an example of customer level of dissatisfaction with currently available camper vans in NA. I am an example, in 2013 because I couldn’t find anything which would making me to open my wallet so I went that route. Having positive experience of buying our first two camper vans directly from VW could have made my desires too high.

Somehow VW/Westfalia was able to pull it off a half a century ago. Life is different today, but did camping change so much since than that vans manufacturers can’t pull it anymore. I agree that experience in the design phase is critical, and folks with experience are often retired.

Our current camper van builders are very fast in some areas, but act as snails in other. They are very quick in changing prices upwards, paying a half million USD for a van is (pick a word). But copying DIY folks is slow, an example is Thinsulate, it started in DIY community in 2013, Winnebago just announced their new insulation technology this year – Thinsulate.