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Old 12-05-2015, 02:51 AM   #161
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I think it is very interesting when Roadtrek and all their paid shills (and fan girls) complain about Winnebago shills. Something kind of disingenuous about that.
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Old 12-05-2015, 02:54 AM   #162
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Old 12-05-2015, 03:06 AM   #163
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I think it is very interesting when Roadtrek and all their paid shills (and fan girls) complain about Winnebago shills. Something kind of disingenuous about that.
projection in psychological lingo.
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Old 12-05-2015, 03:07 AM   #164
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Maybe the RT shills are the smart ones - they're getting paid!
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Old 12-05-2015, 03:15 AM   #165
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You boys are just jealous that you don't have a prototype Roadtrek to tool around the country in...
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Old 12-05-2015, 03:42 AM   #166
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You boys are just jealous that you don't have a prototype Roadtrek to tool around the country in...
Yeah, there is that!

Of course some would say there are a lot of Roadtrek customers that are tooling around the country (when the actually work) in prototypes.
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Old 12-05-2015, 03:46 AM   #167
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Yeah, there is that!

Of course some would say there are a lot of Roadtrek customers that are tooling around the country (when the actually work) in prototypes.
But those unfortunate souls had to pay street price and don't get priority treatment from the factory....
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...and then got banned at Roadtrekking for not being a cheerleader and posting facts about the new systems. LOL
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Old 12-05-2015, 03:17 PM   #169
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I agree with BobB, I have nothing "against" Roadtrek, and was anxiously awaiting their Promaster models. Though they haven't come up with a floorplan that suits me yet (Hymer is getting close), every post I read from Jim H and Campskunk makes me that much more Leary of dealing with their company. It's really irritating to me how they put out a somewhat vague press release, and then ridicule anyone who tries to speculate or find out a little more information..

Whats with all the high school negativity?
And why take it out on customers/readers, and interviewers?
If it is just a competitive Winnebago hatred thing, fine. Find something to bitch about about Winnebago.

It kind of seems like a dog that's viciously barking at a bird through the window, tearing up the furniture, while the thief is walking off with the TV...
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Old 12-05-2015, 03:27 PM   #170
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I agree with BobB, I have nothing "against" Roadtrek, and was anxiously awaiting their Promaster models. Though they haven't come up with a floorplan that suits me yet (Hymer is getting close), every post I read from Jim H and Campskunk makes me that much more Leary of dealing with their company. It's really irritating to me how they put out a somewhat vague press release, and then ridicule anyone who tries to speculate or find out a little more information..

Whats with all the high school negativity?
And why take it out on customers/readers, and interviewers?
If it is just a competitive Winnebago hatred thing, fine. Find something to bitch about about Winnebago.

It kind of seems like a dog that's viciously barking at a bird through the window, tearing up the furniture, while the thief is walking off with the TV...
Couldn't have said it better myself. All their problems would be solved by honesty. They could turn it all around in a week if they really wanted.
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Or as someone else pointed out, if you really are not in a position at the moment to say anything beyond what was in the press release then either say nothing or something that doesn't send out the negative vibe.

Campskunk is free to say whatever he wants since he doesn't work for Roadtrek which is his prerogative and his Achilles heal...

Did the Hymer rep say too much at this point? Maybe, but that is her problem, why bring FitRV into the discussion?
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.........since he doesn't work for Roadtrek ......
He doesn't? Boy, I bet everyone would like to get the level of RT service he gets! Bring your RV to the factory (Sept 2015) and get a whole new energy system upgrade? All in secret? He may not be on payroll but quid pro quo still means a very cozy relationship.

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Did the Hymer rep say too much at this point? Maybe, but that is her problem, why bring FitRV into the discussion?
Because they asked the questions! You know, shoot the messenger and all that.
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I agree with BobB, I have nothing "against" Roadtrek, and was anxiously awaiting their Promaster models. Though they haven't come up with a floorplan that suits me yet (Hymer is getting close), every post I read from Jim H and Campskunk makes me that much more Leary of dealing with their company. It's really irritating to me how they put out a somewhat vague press release, and then ridicule anyone who tries to speculate or find out a little more information..

Whats with all the high school negativity?
And why take it out on customers/readers, and interviewers?
If it is just a competitive Winnebago hatred thing, fine. Find something to bitch about about Winnebago.

It kind of seems like a dog that's viciously barking at a bird through the window, tearing up the furniture, while the thief is walking off with the TV...
I see you are trying to get Jim to confirm the manufacturing plan, it will be interesting to see if he keeps responding...
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He doesn't? Boy, I bet everyone would like to get the level of RT service he gets! Bring your RV to the factory (Sept 2015) and get a whole new energy system upgrade? All in secret? He may not be on payroll but quid pro quo still means a very cozy relationship.



Because they asked the questions! You know, shoot the messenger and all that.
Not really much if a secret.

I didn't say he did not have a good financial and support benefit from Roadtrek, just that he is not an employee who would be prevented from commenting on the Hymer deals. He may be getting some $ from Mike out of the money Mike gets from Roadtek to cover the time he spends writing articles and spying on the activities over here on the forum to catch malcontents, weasels, naysayers, etc. and report back to Mike so they can be purged from the temple of Roadreking on Facebook.
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Campskunk has referred to himself as a "technical consultant" to Roadtrek, and I can tell you with almost 100% certainty that all consultants sign non-disclosure agreements, at every company I have ever dealt with, so I can't imagine Roadtrek being different. Really no different than any other employee, IMO, bought and paid for.
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Campskunk has referred to himself as a "technical consultant" to Roadtrek, and I can tell you with almost 100% certainty that all consultants sign non-disclosure agreements, at every company I have ever dealt with, so I can't imagine Roadtrek being different. Really no different than any other employee, IMO, bought and paid for.
Well, I guess we both agree that he is bought and paid for, whatever his actual status as a contracted or uncontracted "technical consultant" or whatever his relationship is with Roadtrek.
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Okay, so what does this really say about Hymer's research, plans and insight in dealing with RT? While I think they (Hymer) will, in time, bring a lot of valuable product knowledge, competition and likely a superior product to the NA market, do they not anticipate a bumpier ride than they could have chosen? Like my grand-pappy used to say, 'Don't play with the pigs if you don't want pig poop on you.' Well something like that anyway...
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do they not anticipate a bumpier ride than they could have chosen?
I suspect they believe they have expertise at handling "contract manufacturers".
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Okay, so what does this really say about Hymer's research, plans and insight in dealing with RT? While I think they (Hymer) will, in time, bring a lot of valuable product knowledge, competition and likely a superior product to the NA market, do they not anticipate a bumpier ride than they could have chosen? Like my grand-pappy used to say, 'Don't play with the pigs if you don't want pig poop on you.' Well something like that anyway...
I realize that Roadtrek gets very little respect here for some good reasons with regard to some specific issues but I would suggest that Hymer might be getting a good deal on a North American RV manufacturing facility with experienced RV manufacturing personnel, experienced technical staff, new technology developments, maybe also an established dealer/service network (TBD), all of which would take awhile to develop on their own.
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I see you are trying to get Jim to confirm the manufacturing plan, it will be interesting to see if he keeps responding...
Well, they solved the problem in their usual fashion, they simply deleted the whole post with the link to the FitRV Hymer interview...
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