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Old 11-22-2020, 02:56 PM   #81
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This shows HOW closely the EKKO mimics European designs. I spent the 1st few seconds watching this video wondering why Winnebago's new rig was being reviewed in German.



It's amazing how many design similarities the new Hymer Crossover ML-T 570 has with the EKKO, right down to the black cab and white body. Turn on subtitles to follow the details for this rig.
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I'll make you a deal. Build the same exact thing, and I'll pay you $90K. It'll be an easy $25K for you. As a matter of fact, I'll find three other buyers too!
$100K, just like that. BOOM!
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Sure will, easy! Give me Winnebago's resources and I'll do it in a heartbeat.
Excellent answer!
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This shows HOW closely the EKKO mimics European designs. I spent the 1st few seconds watching this video wondering why Winnebago's new rig was being reviewed in German.



It's amazing how many design similarities the new Hymer Crossover ML-T 570 has with the EKKO, right down to the black cab and white body. Turn on subtitles to follow the details for this rig.
Diesel stove, I didn't see it in our B-class except in DIYs. I was contemplating it early in my design but opted for an alcohol/120VAC Origo. Big difference between European and North America markets is utilization of large battery banks exemplified by using diesel vs inductive stove. Benefit of diesel stove is dual duty, cooking and cabin heating.
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Very little room above the bed in the Hymer unit, and I'd expect a few head-bonking episodes in there, but aside from that it looks like far superior build quality with many thoughtful touches such as skylights everywhere. I assumed the cooktop was induction.
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The inner bathroom door to switch between the toilet/sink and shower stall looks kind of clunky with the extra flap. The other odd feature is they combine lithium along with an AGM battery.
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Very little room above the bed in the Hymer unit, and I'd expect a few head-bonking episodes in there, but aside from that it looks like far superior build quality with many thoughtful touches such as skylights everywhere. I assumed the cooktop was induction.
It is Webasto stove/heater commonly used in marine world. https://www.webasto-comfort.com/int/...l-cooker-x100/
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..."Excellent answer", except that one would have to PAY a couple hundred million for Winnebagos resources...

That's a bit like saying, "GIVE me Apple Inc., and I can sell you an Iphone for $25.00."
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..."Excellent answer", except that one would have to PAY a couple hundred million for Winnebagos resources...

That's a bit like saying, "GIVE me Apple Inc., and I can sell you an Iphone for $25.00."
So Scott, are you going for an EKKO?

I might be interested in something like it in a few years when we stop full time travel in our truck. I had assumed it would be an EarthCruiser but they are getting pretty expensive and my wife will never go for the entry way bath/toilet.
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it's amazing to me how people can say this or that is too expensive and should be less expensive.

the biggest cost is labor(which includes benefits/overhead/etc.

the next biggest cost is chassis

then the stuff put into it is last.


I agree if someone did it themselves so labor wasn't part of the cost then it would be different
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Costs of campervan manufacturing in EU are much lower due to investments in 21 Century design and manufacturing, so, prices can be lower than in NA. Costs of campervan manufacturing in NA is higher, most of manufacturers run like bigger or smaller mom and pop shops of the 20 Century. But even with higher costs of manufacturing price of EKKO is scavenging.
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..."Excellent answer", except that one would have to PAY a couple hundred million for Winnebagos resources...

That's a bit like saying, "GIVE me Apple Inc., and I can sell you an Iphone for $25.00."
Apple is likely not the best example as they deploy 21 Century design and manufacturing processes.

Back to Winnebago, point was made "let me use Winnebago resources", not give it to me per say.

The whole point is that prices for Bs in NA are silly.
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One thing to keep in mind about North American prices though is that nobody with half a brain pays MSRP. That $165K MSRP will likely translate to about a $115K street price. I think you'd be pretty hard pressed to build anything like it yourself for that price.
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One thing to keep in mind about North American prices though is that nobody with half a brain pays MSRP. That $165K MSRP will likely translate to about a $115K street price. I think you'd be pretty hard pressed to build anything like it yourself for that price.
Valid point about street vs MSRP prices, I didnít know that by going through this lovely negotiation process you can save 30%, wow, great profit for dealers. There must be a lot of folks with Ĺ brain if this wonderful negotiating system still exists, if most folks would have complete brains no one would fall into it and MSRP prices would be close to street ones.
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Valid point about street vs MSRP prices, I didn’t know that by going through this lovely negotiation process you can save 30%, wow, great profit for dealers. There must be a lot of folks with Ĺ brain if this wonderful negotiating system still exists, if most folks would have complete brains no one would fall into it and MSRP prices would be close to street ones.
The problem with US RV's is that buying one's first one tends to be a crime of passion. We catch the bug somehow and then typically get SO excited that rationality has a tendency to fall by the wayside.

Things tend to cool off over time, so second-time purchasers usually do better. However, echoes of the initial craziness tend to echo throughout ownership in the form of excessive van-love, manifest in minor irrationalities such as weekly van-waxing, using pointless tank chemicals, constant "improvements", refusing to use the bathroom, etc, etc. These behaviors vary by owner, but we all have them.
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The problem with US RV's is that buying one's first one tends to be a crime of passion. We catch the bug somehow and then typically get SO excited that rationality has a tendency to fall by the wayside.

Things tend to cool off over time, so second-time purchasers usually do better. However, echoes of the initial craziness tend to echo throughout ownership in the form of excessive van-love, manifest in minor irrationalities such as weekly van-waxing, using pointless tank chemicals, constant "improvements", refusing to use the bathroom, etc, etc. These behaviors vary by owner, but we all have them.
Good point, I am guilty of it as well. I had about 4 items left on my Voila to do list, scratch all except one, to replace the puny Sprinter horn.

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One thing to keep in mind about North American prices though is that nobody with half a brain pays MSRP. That $165K MSRP will likely translate to about a $115K street price.
Initial buyers are reporting prices around $125k for the $165k list EKKO, about 25% discount off Winnebago's inflated MSRP prices. Whether this will go up or down over time presumably depends on buyer demand and market availability.
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So Scott, are you going for an EKKO?

I might be interested in something like it in a few years when we stop full time travel in our truck...
I am going TO SEE an EKKO for sure, as soon as possible.
Retirement comes in a couple of years. I figure our traveling habits will change. We are doing some test trips with a small cargo trailer now. With more time on the road, I am thinking it will either be a "B" with a small cargo trailer, or something just a tad bigger than our Travato that can carry a little cargo on board. Either way, it is a compromise as we love the mobility of the B.

I am a little concerned about the OCCC; I think I am understanding it is a bit LESS than the Travato (1500 lbs VS 1900 lbs). It wouldn't be much help to have more room for cargo, but less weight capacity to carry it...
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I am going TO SEE an EKKO for sure, as soon as possible.
Retirement comes in a couple of years. I figure our traveling habits will change. We are doing some test trips with a small cargo trailer now. With more time on the road, I am thinking it will either be a "B" with a small cargo trailer, or something just a tad bigger than our Travato that can carry a little cargo on board. Either way, it is a compromise as we love the mobility of the B.

I am a little concerned about the OCCC; I think I am understanding it is a bit LESS than the Travato (1500 lbs VS 1900 lbs). It wouldn't be much help to have more room for cargo, but less weight capacity to carry it...
Lots of details yet to discover with the EKKO but they managed to be the first major player to get to market with a good design for a European style compact Class C. Expect we will see more options coming out soon.

Nice to see the small RV options expanding instead of just more of the same stuff...
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I am going TO SEE an EKKO for sure, as soon as possible.
Retirement comes in a couple of years. I figure our traveling habits will change. We are doing some test trips with a small cargo trailer now. With more time on the road, I am thinking it will either be a "B" with a small cargo trailer, or something just a tad bigger than our Travato that can carry a little cargo on board. Either way, it is a compromise as we love the mobility of the B.

I am a little concerned about the OCCC; I think I am understanding it is a bit LESS than the Travato (1500 lbs VS 1900 lbs). It wouldn't be much help to have more room for cargo, but less weight capacity to carry it...
as i understand it-and i could be wrong-each seat belt seat is assigned 150 pounds. the ekko has 4. If you actually only have 2 people in it you pick up 300 pounds in occc. Just a thought
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