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markopolo 02-06-2015 05:11 PM

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Here are some updated photos of Roadtrek's new Zion Class B Motorhome. I've noticed some changes from the earlier prototype photos and like what I see :thumbup:

Nice color cabinetry:


Full stainless steel:




Counter extension:




TV on passenger side - looks like you extend the passenger side bed, sit on the sofa and lounge with your feet up :thumbup:

markopolo 02-06-2015 05:29 PM

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More photos of the RT Zion:











(11 photos in total, cropped and resized for forum viewing)

rclemins 02-06-2015 05:48 PM

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Thanks for the pictures! Yep, like what I see as well...

GuyGene 02-06-2015 07:05 PM

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Looks okay except for those (excuse me) ridiculous curtains! They must have gotten my sister, The Monster, to decorate that. I'll still check it out a bit more.

gerrym51 02-06-2015 07:28 PM

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this is what we ordered. we will have the faux leather seats though.

stanw909 02-06-2015 08:02 PM

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Looks about a gazillion times better in cherry.

stanw909 02-06-2015 08:07 PM

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Hey Gerry. Can a person of 5'8" sleep front to back or do you have to sleep side to side?

markopolo 02-06-2015 08:25 PM

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Gerry will know for sure but I think you can sleep either way.

Some updates I noticed:

- no 1/4 round trim at sofa base end
- TV on passenger side - should be easier to see from driver's seat and easy to lounge on sofa to watch TV
- looks like more underbed drawers or compartments or at least more divisions so probably easier to separate and organize indoor and outdoor stuff (or his and her stuff)
- window trim
- step to cab is straight across now

Things I had not noticed before:
Looks like rear reading lights on each side.
Three multi outlet 12v / USB / 120V centers. One up front above the counter extension and one on each side in the rear. A Google search for that turns up a post from Gerry saying that he saw those when he viewed the Zion.

stanw909 02-06-2015 08:28 PM

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I went to Roadtrek's website to check the dimensions myself. Nothing about the Zion. WOW !

booster 02-06-2015 08:41 PM

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It is nice to see they weren't afraid to use a full height cabinet on the kitchen side. You need all the storage you can get. An area for bigger stuff would be nice, though, like you get with across the back storage designs. I wonder if they could do a setup like the pre-power sofa Chevies, where the area across the back of the seating area was filled so you got the full across the back storage?

The dark stains always seem to look nicer in the pics and videos, to us, and in person they are too dark for us.

I do hope these smaller van designs catch on so the market has something for everyone.

markopolo 02-06-2015 08:59 PM

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Here's a quick video of the Zion with the white interior posted by Roulottes Rive-Sud, in Quebec, Canada ( https://www.roulottesrive-sud.com )

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The lower overcab storage looks like a new addition also:




booster 02-06-2015 09:31 PM

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Interesting white, kind of like some of the B's were around 2000(?). We saw a lot of them when we were looking. It would be tough to pick that over the dark wood, I think, but if it was light maple, that would be us. I wonder if they are going to have one at the Minneapolis show in February?

gerrym51 02-06-2015 09:45 PM

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I tested the beds it front to back. i had the couch out. it was rock solid. the beds are 76 inches long -front to back and if made into a king 73 inches wide

mumkin 02-07-2015 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by booster
Interesting white, kind of like some of the B's were around 2000(?). We saw a lot of them when we were looking. It would be tough to pick that over the dark wood, I think, but if it was light maple, that would be us. I wonder if they are going to have one at the Minneapolis show in February?

Lake Region told me that they had scheduled the prototype for the show in MSP in Feb. It is supposedly on its way via a show in... Michigan I believe.

Let me come in here as a vote for really liking the white interior. My first B, a 2004 GWV, had a white interior and I loved it... make that small van feel so much more spacious than it really was. But I'm one who actually likes the simple gray cabinetry of Sportsmobile. It is nice to have options for all tastes.

wincrasher 02-07-2015 03:52 PM

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With that material choice, I would assume that virtually any color would be possible.

Most van manufactures only have a short list of fairly conservative choices. This white is about as bold a choice as their is out there right now. Personally, I don't care for the dark ones, as most vans are fairly dark inside already.

But it would be interesting if someone would use bold interior color choices as their thing (kind of like the bright red exterior from W). But I doubt they'd go for it. How could you possibly re-sell a van with a flame red interior?
:o

bobojay 02-08-2015 01:49 AM

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Based on these pics, if we were in the market for a smaller B, this would probably be it....love that interior color, hate the curtains....
Anyone know if RT is going to offer the diesel option like WGO is?

gerrym51 02-08-2015 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by bobojay
Based on these pics, if we were in the market for a smaller B, this would probably be it....love that interior color, hate the curtains....
Anyone know if RT is going to offer the diesel option like WGO is?


we ordered the zion with the cherry interior. and faux off white leather seats/beds, however it has a couple of issues. weight is one-it's specs are 1250 pound carrying capacity. a diesel engine would add more weight. for that reason alone i don't think you'll see a diesel.

the other is towing. roadtrek joe in a post said it only is rated to tow 2000 pounds. i have seen no other mention of it. since i have no desire to tow anything we did not care.

before you bring up the Travato specs i will. i have no idea why they are so different from roadtreks-i can only guess number of passengers-but i don't really know

i can honestly say i love the curtains. :mrgreen:

wincrasher 02-08-2015 04:13 AM

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It's been mentioned before - the difference is OCC vs. CCC.

They are both the same when you compare apples to apples. Around 2000 lbs payload.

The weight of conversion is "around" 2000 lbs no matter the manufacturer. You'd really be hard presssed to put 1000 lbs in any of these vans, so really no worries about being overloaded.

The one advantage of the deisel would be tow rating - it should go up. There may not be a difference in weights due to the transmission and size of fuel tank.

gerrym51 02-08-2015 12:58 PM

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It's been mentioned before - the difference is OCC vs. CCC.

They are both the same when you compare apples to apples. Around 2000 lbs payload.

The weight of conversion is "around" 2000 lbs no matter the manufacturer. You'd really be hard presssed to put 1000 lbs in any of these vans, so really no worries about being overloaded.

The one advantage of the deisel would be tow rating - it should go up. There may not be a difference in weights due to the transmission and size of fuel tank.


actually wincrasher i was the one that said that to you when it first came up. howoever roadtrekss occc is 1250 pounds. i've checked it several times

markopolo 02-08-2015 02:45 PM

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The Zion is up on Roadtrek's site now:

https://www.roadtrek.com/models/zion/

stanw909 02-08-2015 06:34 PM

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I like those fresh, grey and black tank capacities. I wish Winnebago would get bigger tanks.

booster 02-08-2015 06:51 PM

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If they are doing the fresh water the way the now do on other models, it will include the water heater 6 gallons. The don't say "tank" size but fresh water capacity, so that is probably the case. The 35 winds up at 29 gallons then, but that is still a nice amount of fresh water.

mumkin 02-09-2015 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by markopolo
The Zion is up on Roadtrek's site now:

https://www.roadtrek.com/models/zion/

It is still rather sparse. It doesn't list any options and prices as it does on the other units. Odd that their photo shows it a gold color, but lists only silver as exterior color. The dealer order form gives 5 colors. Apparently, they are holding off on options until they get caught up with current orders from dealers. Most of the dealers like Van City and Lake Region have ordered 3... one in each of the usual Roadtrek interior colors.

stanw909 02-09-2015 12:16 PM

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Oh no! I just looked at the site again and realized that they painted the fake windows over the cab. Yuck!. I liked the real windows there in the older models but not painted on. I wonder how much to delete.

rclemins 02-09-2015 12:28 PM

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If by over cab you mean the front 3 windows they will be decals just like on the sprinter vans. I thing the GM chassis are the only ones with real windows over cab..??

gerrym51 02-09-2015 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by mumkin
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Originally Posted by markopolo
The Zion is up on Roadtrek's site now:

https://www.roadtrek.com/models/zion/

It is still rather sparse. It doesn't list any options and prices as it does on the other units. Odd that their photo shows it a gold color, but lists only silver as exterior color. The dealer order form gives 5 colors. Apparently, they are holding off on options until they get caught up with current orders from dealers. Most of the dealers like Van City and Lake Region have ordered 3... one in each of the usual Roadtrek interior colors.


the 5 color options are listed at the end of the chassis spec list

since i had one ordered already i can tell you that all the options are listed in yellow in the specs section that is on the site already-however the msrp
are not. the only thing not made clear is the faux leather package which is front chairs and back couches/bed. 2300 dollars msrp

however any dealer can e-mail you a current build sheet with msrp options on it. i had one e-mailed to me before we ordered

the 1 400 amp battery listed is not actually 400 amp hours. the 400 in battery name refers to reserve capacity. the Northstar sms 400 agm is a tppl battery that is 186 amps.

mlts22 02-09-2015 04:27 PM

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I think they had to paint the three windows in, due to the unibody construction. They had to do the same with the Sprinter.

stanw909 02-09-2015 05:49 PM

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Why paint or decal fake windows on at all?

wincrasher 02-09-2015 06:38 PM

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Brand recognition. I spotted a van the other day at a gas station - immediately knew it was a Roadtrek.


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mumkin 02-09-2015 10:05 PM

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the 5 color options are listed at the end of the chassis spec list

Thanks... just shows that I had never figured out how to read their new website in the first place. :roll:

My dealer already sent me the order sheet. I'm looking to downsize, but would like to get under 20 ft...

decisions decisions...

bobojay 02-10-2015 01:16 AM

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I think they had to paint the three windows in, due to the unibody construction. They had to do the same with the Sprinter.

mlts22 is correct. They won't let them saw into the unibody that much. The Transit models will be the same when they come onboard.

Fastpaddler1 02-10-2015 05:45 PM

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The Zion is certainly a fine looking rv with excellent quality from the pics. My only concern is the small wet bath. I mean, that is small. I survive in my PW Plateau TS but in that I would be stuck and would need to be rescued ie pulled out. I am 6ft 1inch 18lbs so I am not WIDE either.
Just saying...
PS My wife want a C class with a dry bath anyway so I am looking at 22 to 24 ft models.

bobojay 02-10-2015 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Fastpaddler1
The Zion is certainly a fine looking rv with excellent quality from the pics. My only concern is the small wet bath. I mean, that is small. I survive in my PW Plateau TS but in that I would be stuck and would need to be rescued ie pulled out. I am 6ft 1inch 18lbs so I am not WIDE either.
Just saying...
PS My wife want a C class with a dry bath anyway so I am looking at 22 to 24 ft models.


Wow fastpaddler1, 18lbs. You're skinny!! :wtf:

SiennaGuy 02-11-2015 08:09 AM

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The Zion's specs look like it would well accommodate someone up to 6' 1". The bed is 74" wide by 76" long, both the refrigerator and the microwave are raised so that they're above counter level, and the inside height is 74 (6' 2"). I especially like the way that the appliances are mounted so that they're close to eye-level for a tall person. They might be a reach for someone who's short, however.


wincrasher 02-11-2015 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by mlts22
I think they had to paint the three windows in, due to the unibody construction. They had to do the same with the Sprinter.

mlts22 is correct. They won't let them saw into the unibody that much. The Transit models will be the same when they come onboard.


Aren't most of these guys cutting out the sides and installing aftermarket side-windows? I just think that front area is more problematic to install windows and not have it leak. Plus you loose that storage area and the cab headliner. On the Chevies, they molded those caps with the windows cutouts years ago. They are cutting off the van's roof anyways and installing the cap.

bobojay 02-11-2015 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by bobojay
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Originally Posted by mlts22
I think they had to paint the three windows in, due to the unibody construction. They had to do the same with the Sprinter.

mlts22 is correct. They won't let them saw into the unibody that much. The Transit models will be the same when they come onboard.


Aren't most of these guys cutting out the sides and installing aftermarket side-windows? I just think that front area is more problematic to install windows and not have it leak. Plus you loose that storage area and the cab headliner. On the Chevies, they molded those caps with the windows cutouts years ago. They are cutting off the van's roof anyways and installing the cap.


On the side windows yes, but they are cutting between the vertical braces so there's no loss of structural integrity. You can't cut into the front of the roof on these unibody vans, ProMaster, Sprinter & Transit without cutting through some braces..
The Chevy has a separate frame that the body mounts on. That's where it gets most of it's strength. The Nissan full size NV is the same way

booster 02-13-2015 02:14 PM

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We got to see the show touring (and it looked it) Zion at the Minneapolis show yesterday. Won't comment on build quality because it is such an early, and abused, unit.

We didn't particularly care for the floor plan, but that is personal choice. The floor to ceiling all down the driver side is not our preference, and we like having a window area in the middle of that side, like the older Chevies and Dodges.

The Zion had the twin couches in the back, with drawers underneath, like the older Dodge Roadtreks had. Power couch on the drivers side to close it off. Nice for big stuff, but then that stuff would have to be outside when you slept. The dealer didn't care for the setup and said the Zions he will get will have an across the back couch. We would agree with that.

Nice frig, microwave a bit high for 4' 11" tall DW. Would prefer the sink and cooktop be arranged to give more counter space, as the flip up blocks the door.

Really disliked the combination curtain and screen. Can't have slider window open in the rain. The knobs on the cabinets are very small and force fairly large, so if you have any arthritis in you hands, it could be a bit difficult to open.

We don't like dark interiors, but the white was not impressive at all. Wish they would do the interior in a color like the kitchen base you can see through the door in the pic a few posts earlier.

Certainly not a bad B, but also nothing that jumped out making it a "must have", either, for us.

Roadtrek certainly seems to be positioning the Zion to take over for the Chevy models, as the Chevy 190 prices have been increased to be about the same as the Zion at right around $100K. Both seem to be a bit overpriced at that number, IMO.

gerrym51 02-13-2015 03:23 PM

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We got to see the show touring (and it looked it) Zion at the Minneapolis show yesterday. Won't comment on build quality because it is such an early, and abused, unit.

We didn't particularly care for the floor plan, but that is personal choice. The floor to ceiling all down the driver side is not our preference, and we like having a window area in the middle of that side, like the older Chevies and Dodges.

The Zion had the twin couches in the back, with drawers underneath, like the older Dodge Roadtreks had. Power couch on the drivers side to close it off. Nice for big stuff, but then that stuff would have to be outside when you slept. The dealer didn't care for the setup and said the Zions he will get will have an across the back couch. We would agree with that.

Nice frig, microwave a bit high for 4' 11" tall DW. Would prefer the sink and cooktop be arranged to give more counter space, as the flip up blocks the door.

Really disliked the combination curtain and screen. Can't have slider window open in the rain. The knobs on the cabinets are very small and force fairly large, so if you have any arthritis in you hands, it could be a bit difficult to open.

We don't like dark interiors, but the white was not impressive at all. Wish they would do the interior in a color like the kitchen base you can see through the door in the pic a few posts earlier.

Certainly not a bad B, but also nothing that jumped out making it a "must have", either, for us.

Roadtrek certainly seems to be positioning the Zion to take over for the Chevy models, as the Chevy 190 prices have been increased to be about the same as the Zion at right around $100K. Both seem to be a bit overpriced at that number, IMO.

tell us what you really think Booster :mrgreen:

several of the things you dislike are things we love.what can i say. :thumbup:

if i already had a b i would not be jumping out to buy it either. since i don't this is the one the wife love's and therfore i love it :partyman:

booster 02-13-2015 03:56 PM

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several of the things you dislike are things we love.what can i say. :thumbup:

Exactly why they make a bunch of different brands and models!

Not intended to sound overly negative, as I think there would be a similar list on any of the models from anyone, and the Zion looks to do most things well, but not spectacularly, so those don't get listed. If we were forced to decide between a Zion and new Pleasurway Lexor or the Travato, I think the Zion would win at this point. When you are dealing with stock build units, you will love some stuff and not like others. The same was true when we went shopping in the 2006-2007 time frame. We chose the 190P as the unit with the best balance of like, not like, certainly not because with thought it was ideal. The amount of modifications that have been done to ours would support that theory! :crazy: One of the interesting things is that 190P floorplan, with the kitchen counter and window in the middle of aisle area made my moderately claustrophobic wife very comfortable, where the units with a floor to ceiling wall on that side and an open kitchen on the other side made her quite uncomfortable, so that was big influence in out choice, and limited the choices a lot. Kind of similar to your decision process. :)

I do think it will sell pretty well, as it is substantially less expensive than anything else Roadtrek offers, except the Chevies and they will be going away. There are a lot folks out there that want to buy the Roadtrek brand, but were priced out by the Sprinters, I think. The very price sensitive are going to wind up at Winnbago, or maybe Hymer when they spool up, as Roadtrek, Pleasure-way, Great West, etc probably won't be able to match the price point.

gerrym51 02-13-2015 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by gerrym51
several of the things you dislike are things we love.what can i say. :thumbup:

Exactly why they make a bunch of different brands and models!

Not intended to sound overly negative, as I think there would be a similar list on any of the models from anyone, and the Zion looks to do most things well, but not spectacularly, so those don't get listed. If we were forced to decide between a Zion and new Pleasurway Lexor or the Travato, I think the Zion would win at this point. When you are dealing with stock build units, you will love some stuff and not like others. The same was true when we went shopping in the 2006-2007 time frame. We chose the 190P as the unit with the best balance of like, not like, certainly not because with thought it was ideal. The amount of modifications that have been done to ours would support that theory! :crazy: One of the interesting things is that 190P floorplan, with the kitchen counter and window in the middle of aisle area made my moderately claustrophobic wife very comfortable, where the units with a floor to ceiling wall on that side and an open kitchen on the other side made her quite uncomfortable, so that was big influence in out choice, and limited the choices a lot. Kind of similar to your decision process. :)

I do think it will sell pretty well, as it is substantially less expensive than anything else Roadtrek offers, except the Chevies and they will be going away. There are a lot folks out there that want to buy the Roadtrek brand, but were priced out by the Sprinters, I think. The very price sensitive are going to wind up at Winnbago, or maybe Hymer when they spool up, as Roadtrek, Pleasure-way, Great West, etc probably won't be able to match the price point.


we are paying cash for the zion- it was not a price issue although the wife and I a usually pretty frugal. in all honesty i don't like sprinters :silent:


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