List of Ram Promaster based Class B Campervans

[bobojay]

The last time this older customer base handled a large container of poop was when I was working at the Oklahoma City Zoo for a couple months back in '92. (Long story)
That was enough for me!

 

[mlts22-ClassB]

Advanced RV has a YouTube video which goes into excellent detail on this. Basically everything what Davydd states was covered in the video, from having to disassemble the toilet to empty the poop to finding a place to dilute the urine by a factor of 10 or more (so it doesn't burn the plants nearby.) Their summary of why black tanks are by far the most popular makes sense -- one uses a dump hose with the gray tank... why not just use it with the black tank as well, and not have to lug 5-6 gallons of poop water around, only to have to add water and chemical packs to keep the cassette from smelling. To boot, the cassette would either have to have an obvious hatch on the outside or one would have to make a bathroom with a path so one can lug the cassette out from inside. Similar with the composting toilet -- the bathroom would require additional space for disassembling the toilet.

This isn't to say a cassette toilets and composting toilets don't have their uses. If I had a small cottage on unimproved land that I wouldn't want to add a septic system to, I'd definitely go for a composting toilet, as I wouldn't have to worry about the stuff freezing. Here in TX, a cassette toilet with 3-4 cassettes would be useful as well, since a rotation could be done to empty them out and have spares on hand. However, for a class "B", why reinvent the wheel... there are lots of places with dump stations even in central Texas, and why do additional work, as the gray tank will need dumped, so might as well just have the black emptied the same way.

 

[Davydd]

The person who requested the composting toilet from Advanced RV announced herself on the Facebook "B"ing in an Advanced RV group. She said one modification will be the elimination of the bathroom sink to gain more room. Another modification I can see being made is going to a full double door opening like we had in our Great West Van Legend. That way you can get direct access to the toilet instead of it being stuck back in a cubby space as Advanced RV has now.

From the video it sounded like the Nature's Head composting toilet was the chosen one at this time. That is the same one the Wynn's demoed. It weighs 28 lbs. empty. I just carried a case of beer into my house this afternoon. That's 24 twelve-ounce bottles and is no longer easy to do going through the door. It would take two people, one to hold the doors open. Either that, or they have to make it so you don't carry a toilet out doors as the Wynn's demonstrated.

 

[mlts22-ClassB]

That in itself is a good argument for the traditional black tank system. It is a heck of a lot easier stuffing a macerator hose down a pipe and letting fly than trying to yank your entire toilet (or large parts of it) out of the van and empty the thing.

Honestly, I wouldn't see how one could legally dump a composting toilet in a suburban to urban environment. There is putting the contents in a garbage bag (ugh), then tossing that into a trash can or dumpster. One wrong move and there are 30+ pounds of poop on the floor. Another wrong move and a vital piece of the toilet like the bucket or agitator might wind up thrown away by accident. Then, there is the fact that there may be laws against dumping human waste on that scale into a dumpster, much less a trash can at a gas station or place with "no household garbage" signs. With how suspicious people are, it almost would earn a visit from the local PD. To boot, the waste couldn't be tossed down a drain due to the large amount of soil. Only real way to dispose of it is to drive way into a rural area and toss it out in the woods, hope nobody finds it. This may work if boondocking, but definitely not the way most people want to do their business.

 

[GeorgeB-ClassB]

Ram Promaster Class B Campervans

Here's a summary of currently available or planned Ram Promaster Class B Campervans that I'm aware of from well known Class B van manufacturers.

Number of outfitters choosing the ProMaster is definitely growing !
There's hope, in a few years, it's going grab a significant portion of the "affordable" B market, like in Europe. It's up to Fiat Chrysler Automobiles (FCA) to address their reliability ratings and give good support and service in North America.

http://www.winnebagotravato.com
http://www.safaricondo.com/en/motorises
http://www.pleasureway.com
https://www.facebook.com/Outsidevan?fref=ts
https://www.facebook.com/Roadtrek
http://www.moreheaddesignlab.com/
http://www.greatwestvans.com/new-model/
http://hymer-usa.com/models/
https://www.facebook.com/sportsmobile



I've posted a selection of images of some outfitted ProMasters on these albums
Kampervan FB
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set ... 992&type=1
Smugmug album
http://centrelab.smugmug.com/PERSO-GL/P ... h/n-MqwT2/

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[markopolo-ClassB]

I'll add Outside Van to the list but I'm not sure if it is a campervan or a gear hauler.

Winnebago Travato - http://winnebagoind.com/products/class- ... o/overview

Great West Vans - http://www.greatwestvans.com/new-model/

Safari Condo - http://www.safaricondo.com/en/motorises_Promaster_MX

Pleasure-Way - http://www.pleasureway.com

Roadtrek - http://www.roadtrek.com

Hymer USA - http://hymer-usa.com/

Morehead Design Lab - http://www.moreheaddesignlab.com/

Sportsmobile - http://www.sportsmobile.com/

SVO Group Embassy - http://svogroup.server289.com/index.html#embassy

Outside Van - http://www.outsidevan.com/next-mission.php

 

[GeorgeB-ClassB]

I'll add Outside Van to the list but I'm not sure if it is a campervan or a gear hauler.

Winnebago Travato - http://winnebagoind.com/products/class- ... o/overview

Great West Vans - http://www.greatwestvans.com/new-model/

Safari Condo - http://www.safaricondo.com/en/motorises_Promaster_MX

Pleasure-Way - http://www.pleasureway.com

Roadtrek - http://www.roadtrek.com

Hymer USA - http://hymer-usa.com/

Morehead Design Lab - http://www.moreheaddesignlab.com/

Sportsmobile - http://www.sportsmobile.com/

SVO Group Embassy - http://svogroup.server289.com/index.html#embassy

Outside Van - http://www.outsidevan.com/next-mission.php

Outside Van vans are usually converted as gear haulers, but they also offer interesting designs in the Campervan territory, with limited comfort, but very functional and stylish layouts. I don't think the ProMaster is going to be their new horse. Too pedestrian. They are more into Mercs, which appeal to their wealthy style-conscious clientele. The 4x4 Sprinter will surely be their future thoroughbred.

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[Brook-ClassB]

Hi, I don't know if this made the list of Class B's on the Ram Promaster and I missed it (very possible), but another Class B to add to the list is the Panoramic, out of Canada. We are on the waiting list for one. Hoping to get it by September 2022!

 

[JGMarcotte]

Yes built on Promaster European design top of the line RV panoramicrv.com available in the USA.

 

[billwebster]

I own a Panoramic built on the 2021 ProMaster platform. It’s terrific.

 

[JamesOdea]

If we start listing all the euro makers, then the list will get quite long, as there are many and this is the predominant platform there.

I suggest that unless they are importing to North America, these not be included in this thread.

As for as the composting toilets go, some people seem to like them in RV's, boats, hunt camps, etc. when the composting gets going, if supposedly works pretty well. The Wynns have a good video on it and are big proponents. The thing is, is, that you have to be full timing with it to work - it's not an on-off type of thing because if the reactions going on. It requires a vent to be drilled into the sidewall and a fan going all the time as air movement is key to the reaction. The killer for me is the pee bucket - they lost me at pee bucket.


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I’m with you on the pee bucket being the biggest downside. Composting toilets can make sense for a full-time RV or boat setup where the system stays in use and the ventilation can run continuously, but for occasional trips I’m not convinced the extra maintenance is worth it.

The full-time vs. weekend-use distinction is important too. If the biological process needs consistent conditions, leaving the system sitting unused for days at a time seems like a pretty poor fit.

And I agree on keeping the European manufacturers out of the list unless there’s actually a realistic way to buy and service them in North America. Otherwise the comparison gets huge without being particularly useful to someone shopping here.