whats a decent tire for a B class

[THEBRAIN]

whats a decent tire for a B class

05pleasureway Lexor Chevy 3500 weight unloaded 8050.loaded add 900LBs

I think this could be a decent tire an the correct size. tire class rating ect.
hope it can w/stand extremely hot expressway surfaces.

also what is the tire preasure you guys use in fronts an rears for a simiarl weighted B class?
additionaly I will be towing my 24' yacth it's total weight is just under 4K LBs
thanks

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Michelin&tireModel=Agilis+CrossClimate&sidewall=Blackwall&partnum=475R6ACC&tab=Sizes.thanks

 

[booster]

Have you actually weighed it at 8050# and 500# more for load? Both sound low for a current model Chevy with 9600# gross weight. What will your tongue weight be with the 4K# load?

 

[THEBRAIN]

yes I've weighted van at scrapeyard w/ me in van 1/2 tank fuel,holding tanks empty, had the spare on rear door she weighted 8250LB. IIRC the house battery was removed an placed on the trickle charger. I have since removed the roof AC that thing must have weight 100LBs. I weight 215LB from what I've read she weights 8K LBs w/out fuel.

start adding 27gallons of fresh water, couple carryon bags, drinking water gear ect she goes up to 9KLBs. this van is 05 model chevy 3500 LQ4/4L80.I'm not very knowledgable about E rated tires only bought one set for the 07hummerH2
I was informed the load weight capability of 3 tires must exceed the weight of the vehical. so these argils are right at the minimum at 3K a piece.

when changing a wheel is it safe to jack up the rear under each shock absorber w/out bending the axel? and what type of jack do you carry?

when towing the tongue weight is approximately 360LBs
thanks booster for tips

 

[booster]

You need to look at your weight stickers to see the axle ratings for you van. Out 07 Chevy is rated 4300# max front axle and 6084# rear axle. The rear axle rating is 2X the tire rating for a 245/75/16 tire. Most Chevies are in the 200# heavier on the driver side rear wheel that the passenger side so it get more likely to be overloaded on the heavier side, especially with a full gas tank which is on the driver side. Your 360# tongue weight will put more than that much on the rear wheels by the ratio of the two axles to hitch ball distances, unless you have a load distributing hitch. When towing you will likely be very close to max gross weight for the van of 9600#.

The three tire thing makes no sense to me at all as you need to theoretically need the weight on each tire to know if you are safe. Even taking half of the axle limit isn't all the accurate because both sides never have exactly the same weight on them.

Most of us lift the rear from the center of the axle on the differential housing with a minimum 3 ton jack and a 3.5 or 4 ton even better. I then put jackstands at the tube ends of the housing or under the leaf spring lower perch.

I have a couple of writeups on the forum about our adventure with Agilis tires, which ended with us swapping them out after 3 years when the handling started to deteriorate.

For towing you might want a stiffer tire like original Bridgestone V-steels the van came with. I think they are called R265 model or something like that. The 4K boat will be a load to pull out of the water up a ramp, especially with a Lexor that has a 3.73 gearing in the differential compared to Roadtreks that used a 4.11 gearset. If you have a generator you have to be very careful not to submerge it.

 

[THEBRAIN]

OK I'll check the weights also post image of the door lable.

so jacking up one side of the rear axel can actuely bend it? wonder why pleasure way only provides a regular cargo van jack?

Bridgestone R265 5-Rib Specifications each tire holds 3042LBs​

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There’s 2 versions however both hold up 3042LBs which is the better tire?​

Tire rack has a deal w/ free road hazard.​

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?message=singleSize&tireMake=Bridgestone&tireModel=R265+5-Rib&width=245/&ratio=75&diameter=16&cameFrom=selectSize&partnum=475R6265V4​

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https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?message=singleSize&tireMake=Bridgestone&tireModel=R265+5-Rib&width=245/&ratio=75&diameter=16&cameFrom=selectSize&partnum=475R6265V4​

heres a better price​

https://www.amazon.com/Bridgestone-R265-LT245-75R16-Tire/dp/B07M7KWJQR#averageCustomerReviewsAnchor​

is amazon correct these brigdestones are Japanese?​

Yes the rear driver side exploded. Ripped up the fiberglass holder of shore power I’ll post images.​

I’m sure I can patch it back together.​

When I say vessel is around 4K LB that includes the vessel an trailer the yacht on it’s own is loaded is estimated around 3400LBs.​

that super 70 rear end must be extremely heavy for the rear to be almost 2K LBs heavier than the front.​

thanks booster for advising​

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[Atlee]

OK I'll check the weights also post image of the door lable.

so jacking up one side of the rear axel can actuely bend it? wonder why pleasure way only provides a regular cargo van jack?

Bridgestone R265 5-Rib Specifications each tire holds 3042LBs​

​

There’s 2 versions however both hold up 3042LBs which is the better tire?​

Tire rack has a deal w/ free road hazard.​

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?message=singleSize&tireMake=Bridgestone&tireModel=R265+5-Rib&width=245/&ratio=75&diameter=16&cameFrom=selectSize&partnum=475R6265V4​

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https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?message=singleSize&tireMake=Bridgestone&tireModel=R265+5-Rib&width=245/&ratio=75&diameter=16&cameFrom=selectSize&partnum=475R6265V4​

heres a better price​

Amazon.com​

is amazon correct these brigdestones are Japanese?​

Yes the rear driver side exploded. Ripped up the fiberglass holder of shore power I’ll post images.​

I’m sure I can patch it back together.​

When I say vessel is around 4K LB that includes the vessel an trailer the yacht on it’s own is loaded is estimated around 3400LBs.​

that super 70 rear end must be extremely heavy for the rear to be almost 2K LBs heavier than the front.​

thanks booster for advising​

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Bridgestone is a Japanese company. Years ago, it bought Firestone.

As for the tires themselves, they can be built in many different countries around the world. You will need the info on the tire to know where it constructed.

 

[booster]

Those all look like the same tire, and as Atlee said, they are now Bridgestone Firestone so tires could come from most anywhere.

If you have the super 70 rear axle, it is a bit heavier than the a 60s but probably only 50# or a bit more.

The axle ratings are for max loading, and remember these are vans make to haul stuff. Empty the rear will be lighter than than the front but fully loaded the rear will be much higher than the front. Class B RVs have all the weight in them all the time so are generally much heavier in the rear than an empty van.

190s commonly run around 5000-5200# in the rear and and 4100-4300# in the front. 210s have and added long rear overhang in the back so run heavier in the back and lighter in the front than 190s. Your Lexor will be similar to a Roadtrek 190.

Were you pulling the boat when the tire exploded? Even without that, rear wheel loading and temperature or bad tires would probably be indicated. You really need a TPMS to keep track of things while driving.

If you have a super 70 axle it should not run hot like a 60s does at the wheel bearings, but it always pays to get an infrared temp gun and check hub and tire temps regularly. A bad wheel bearing can heat up the entire wheel and tire a lot. 60s wheel bearings don't last as long as the 70s ones do. But the 70s ones do need to be checked for adjustment once in a while as they are made like the old school front wheel bearings with tow tapered roller bearings. The don't need grease, though, as they use the differential oil for lubrication.

On the jacking, you can jack up on the ends of the axle housing, but if you do, then you have to jack it up twice and you have no place to put the jackstands which IMO are not optional to have and must be rated at high enough for the heavy load. Be aware that jackstands are mostly sold and rated as a pair and the rating is for two stands, not one, so you need 3 ton rated stands.

The jack that comes with the van is intended to lift on the van frame, not the axle.

 

[THEBRAIN]

Those all look like the same tire, and as Atlee said, they are now Bridgestone Firestone so tires could come from most anywhere.

If you have the super 70 rear axle,yes super 70 it is a bit heavier than the a 60s but probably only 50# or a bit more.

The axle ratings are for max loading, and remember these are vans make to haul stuff. Empty the rear will be lighter than than the front but fully loaded the rear will be much higher than the front. Class B RVs have all the weight in them all the time so are generally much heavier in the rear than an empty van.

190s commonly run around 5000-5200# in the rear and and 4100-4300# in the front. 210s have and added long rear overhang in the back so run heavier in the back and lighter in the front than 190s. Your Lexor will be similar to a Roadtrek 190.
I believe my Lexor is longer than 190 an shorter than your 210 it is the extended 9 passenger size

Were you pulling the boat when the tire exploded? NO just litely loaded van one carry on small tool box an lunch box an 2nd lunch box for water this being a day trip of 550miles Even without that, rear wheel loading and temperature or bad tires would probably be indicated. You really need a TPMS to keep track of things while driving.

If you have a super 70 axle it should not run hot like a 60s does at the wheel bearings, but it always pays to get an infrared temp gun and check hub and tire temps regularly. OK please suggest this type of temp gun A bad wheel bearing can heat up the entire wheel and tire a lot.

after I did my bussiness trip I returned home w/ spare another 550miles
I was way to wired to sleep the night at desitation, so I was in that driver seat for over 21 hours in one day, most I've ever driven 80% on expressway. on the tourney back temps where still upwards of 90 they only lowered to mid 80 late that night early morning. so hopefulley the super 70 bearing are fine will the tire installation ppl check the adjustment on axel? van has 124K miles on the clock.

60s wheel bearings don't last as long as the 70s ones do. But the 70s ones do need to be checked for adjustment once in a while as they are made like the old school front wheel bearings with tow tapered roller bearings. The don't need grease, though, as they use the differential oil for lubrication.

it took me quite a while to figure out what type of rear end this van had it's unnick to vans. anyway I've been procastinating changing the rear end fuild, I was able to get a replacement cover but couldn't find a gasket, then found out the S70 doesn't use a gasket so I order some glue then found out I ordered wrong glue S70 uses the permatex grey w/ a image of the axel on package. so I basiely shoved a rubber tube down inside retrieved a bit of oil it looked almost new so I've been putting off the fuild change. I believe S70 takes just over 3quarts of 75/90 synthetic mobile one still not sure if S70 requires whale sperm the LSD oil additive?

On the jacking, you can jack up on the ends of the axle housing, but if you do, then you have to jack it up twice and you have no place to put the jackstands which IMO are not optional to have and must be rated at high enough for the heavy load. Be aware that jackstands are mostly sold and rated as a pair and the rating is for two stands, not one, so you need 3 ton rated stands.

The jack that comes with the van is intended to lift on the van frame, not the axle.

so the provided jack from pleasureway can only be used for a front tire change.the road service had a what appeared to be a 1.5ton an I placed under shock absorber for him.

presently speaking:
What happened was the tire initially created a vibration 1st thing I noticed was my garmin portable GPS mounted on dash bean bag stand slite shake. I thought a wheel weight fell off so I adjusted speed lower which helped a tad but not a solution.



I was 150 miles from desitination so next fuel stop I inspected each wheel even crawled under van for close look. Didn’t see anything obviously loose,missing or broken.



I am gonna use a arcrilic marker to mark rim where my wheel weights are attached.



I probably should have felt the tire up.



This tire exploding

could have been my fault. I’ve been inflating w/ nitrogren 80psi in rear an 70 psi in front. Have now lowered to 70 in rear an 60 in front for return.

I was on the shoulder on a jammed up big city expressway I was basicely forced to ride on the rim about 1/4 to exit an get to a safe spot. steel GM rim appears to be OK

I think the door lable says 55psi in front can’t remember rear will check later.an report back



The expressway was extremely hot my mirror temp. gauge was over 97* so road must have been 130* to hot to stand on bare foot.
Anyway I messed it up bigly ripped the shore power plug holder off I’m sure I can reglass this little box hanging from the power cord.

Also ripped the blue pex tubes terminater. Not sure where these pex tubes connect up inside to water heater?

Inside the tire well there’s bent up sheet metal I had to pry it away from tire no image yet.



What type of jack do you Guys travel w/.? an where do you stow it? maybe in the golf club sized outside storage? ( mine doesn't have locks so this jack would probaley dissapear real soon.
I think the lug nut is 21mm long socket. What tool to remove the plactic lug nut covers I used vise grips.



Next trip I’ll be prepared w/ breaker bar an cheater pipe (what I have in the Hummer) I’d like to choke the Ahole that used a big impact to put the wheels on for previous van owner.

I explain to them yeah use the impact to screw on nut then use a torque wrench to tighten while I supervise.

Not sure about the 3500 but proballey 120LBs.

Thanks for advise. hope I didn't hurt her to bad. she cruised great on the trip home.

Bridgestone is a Japanese company. Years ago, it bought Firestone.

As for the tires themselves, they can be built in many different countries around the world. You will need the info on the tire to know where it constructed.

I thought the bridgestones where part of Firestone I like the Japanese quality thanks Atlee

 

[jjrbus]

I prefer to chat about TPMS rather than tire brand. I have had 3 issues in the last few years where the TPMS saved me from destroying tires. And now a 4th issue or maybe a non issue. After rebuilding the front end and new pad's calipers and brake hose's my right front tire is running hot and higher PSI. I have looked it over and guessing the alignment is so far out of wack it is warming up the tires. Would not have noticed if not for TPMS.

 

[booster]

A 70s will have a Gov-lock autolocking differential and won't need or want oil with a limited slip additive. It is very hard to find any that don't have the additive these days. I used Motul because the made a version that is no additive and they make very good oil. Redline used to have one also, but I haven't seen it lately.
No gasket needed on the cover, but it needs to be the cast, thick version to give the proper strength. There are some stamped ones out there being sold, though. I have gone the using Permatex Right Stuff sealer for this kind of stuff. It never leaks and is very easy to use. Be aware never to use two tires of different sizes on the rear. The axle will lock the differential and destroy it in a lot cases.

The factory jack can be used on the back if you can get to section of the frame in front of the wheel to fit it to. Roadtreks are particularly tough to get to, don't know about yours.

You can use a 1.5ton jack on the rear on one side but you would not go under the van with just a jack under unless you are not worried about getting crushed. I try to get under the lower spring holder if there is room. For changing a tire is OK. The lug nut torque is 140# IIRC.

For the 245 wide 3042# rated tires must run 80 in the rear do to the load they are carrying. Front most are at 65# or 60# and a few on either side of it. Ours handled best at 80/65 when we had the Bidgestone tires.

Ugly tire failure and a rarely heard of brand in Mesa. Your shake was cord separation starting, I assume, and you should have felt a bulge in the tread somewhere, I would think. Also temp was probably going up at the same time. Hot roads do make a difference.

 

[THEBRAIN]

A 70s will have a Gov-lock autolocking differential and won't need or want oil with a limited slip additive. It is very hard to find any that don't have the additive these days. I used Motul because the made a version that is no additive and they make very good oil. Redline used to have one also, but I haven't seen it lately.
No gasket needed on the cover, but it needs to be the cast, thick version to give the proper strength. There are some stamped ones out there being sold, though. I have gone the using Permatex Right Stuff sealer for this kind of stuff. It never leaks and is very easy to use. Be aware never to use two tires of different sizes on the rear. The axle will lock the differential and destroy it in a lot cases.

The factory jack can be used on the back if you can get to section of the frame in front of the wheel to fit it to. Roadtreks are particularly tough to get to, don't know about yours.

You can use a 1.5ton jack on the rear on one side but you would not go under the van with just a jack under unless you are not worried about getting crushed. I try to get under the lower spring holder if there is room. For changing a tire is OK. The lug nut torque is 140# IIRC.

For the 245 wide 3042# rated tires must run 80 in the rear do to the load they are carrying. Front most are at 65# or 60# and a few on either side of it. Ours handled best at 80/65 when we had the Bidgestone tires.

Ugly tire failure and a rarely heard of brand in Mesa. Your shake was cord separation starting, I assume, and you should have felt a bulge in the tread somewhere, I would think. Also temp was probably going up at the same time. Hot roads do make a difference.

Excellent advise as usale thanks booster

Here’s the glue I have it’s the grey.image

I usalley use the mobile one synthetic 75/90. currently waiting them out a bit to go back down to $59.99 weird how they yoyo the price. You know I’m starting to think this oil from this place could very well be counterfeited.

I usaley use my vessels fuild pump w/ dam near over 3 quarts I’ll be there all day. The oil you suggest doe’s it come in one large container w/ an available pump that has a wider diameter fill tube?

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I got lucky an found a orginal GM diff. cover (it appeared to have never been removed BC that glue is so stronge cover has to be beat off an will leave marks) at the JY in excellent shape bolts to zero rust. Been wire wheeling it an will spary paint outside.



You know my spare tire was dry rotted from where the sun sucked the moisture from the exposed side of tire where the covered side not so much anyway got lucky again at JY

Same (3500 cargo ppl mover van) I got the cover from had brand new tires well manfactor date was 6months old so I grabbed it as a spare it’s the same size IIRC 245 75 16 however don’t think it’s a 10 ply w/ the E rating I’ll take a close look at it an report back. All this 6 months ago so the spare came in handy. Remember she drove great on the 550 mile cruise back.



I wanted a 2nd wheel w/ tire but the cheap chine 4way lug wrench broke in half.



So now I’m reduced to the blown out sister tire an my newest spare on rear an the dry rotton orginal spare which mite be good for ten miles.



My next scheduled trip to beach is before the new tires can be received. I mite just have them sent to destination an have them installed there. Hate to chance a 200 mile trip w/out a spare or a dry rotton spare.



I cruised by JY yesterday in hopes that 3500 was still there it wasn’t.



Good tip on the different size tires on rear I cringe when I see ppl w/ front wheel drive imports cruising around w/ small donut on front.



Before the road service man showed up.I was gonna try to jack from the trailer hitch the hitch is actuely lower than the frame is this advisable for just a wheel swap?



I will pick up a 1.5 ton jack I’ll find somewhere to stow it inside. I’ll never be unprepared again, see just looking at the amount of tread the tires had I thought it to be highly unlikely to get a flat but the saying goe’s stuff happens.



Ok so it wasn’t my fault over inflating she cruises an handles good at 80PSI rear an 70psi front should I lower the front a tad?



Having difficulty finding correct lug nut sockect, 21mm is to small 22MM is kindof loose

Are these lugs not metric most GMs use metric. What is the exact size deep socket for wheel lugs?



The spare tire holder lug nut is 15/16 which is different size for wheel lug.

 

[THEBRAIN]

I prefer to chat about TPMS rather than tire brand. I have had 3 issues in the last few years where the TPMS saved me from destroying tires. And now a 4th issue or maybe a non issue. After rebuilding the front end and new pad's calipers and brake hose's my right front tire is running hot and higher PSI. I have looked it over and guessing the alignment is so far out of wack it is warming up the tires. Would not have noticed if not for TPMS.

hey JJRBUS can the TPMS sensors be added to any none TPMS vehical. my van never had it. thanks what type an year van do you have.

dam when this tire was acting up all kindof crape was running though my mind is it a wheel weight, it kindof felt like a bumpy is my front shock broken (you know I have new bilstiens on rear planning to do the fronts) so I'm cruising down the expressway holding the camera out window fliming the front wheel. didn't see a bounce.

when all the time it was the rear acting up.

 

[GallenH]

I had a tread separation going from Phoenix to Vegas. Had just gotten off expressway and was on a smaller highway. I started to get a light washboard vibration. Thought it was the road. It went on for a while until the tread separated and the tire blew. It did some damage to the wheel well. Years later I lost brakes. Unknown to me the brake line in the rear was also hit by the separating tread and bent into a position where it had been rubbing and eventually sprung a leak. I should have caught that at the time.

 

[booster]

That sealer is very close to the same a Right Stuff these days. The older grey was just plain old silicone and not great for covers.

The Mobile 1 oil has the limited slip additive in it, I am quite sure.

I like the Motul because the 1 qt bottles come with a screw on spout so you can squeeze push the oil through the fill hole. But be sure to get the non additive version which can be hard to find sometimes.

Lug nuts are metric 22mm 6 point impact socket is what I use on my air powered impact wrench and go back on with same but with a 140# torque stick extension.

You could just go to Discount Tire, who will price match and probably get the tires much quicker and you can know the age of them before they go on.

If I were you, I would get 4 matching tires of your choice and then a non premium but proper rating spare for the carrier. Tires are nothing to mess with, and you were lucky you didn't wind up on the roof in the ditch.

We are using a Tire Minder TPMS add on for ours and like it better than the TST we had the finally failed. Others have been happy with the much cheaper Chinese units but I have no personal experience with them.

 

[jjrbus]

hey JJRBUS can the TPMS sensors be added to any none TPMS vehical. my van never had it. thanks what type an year van do you have.

dam when this tire was acting up all kindof crape was running though my mind is it a wheel weight, it kindof felt like a bumpy is my front shock broken (you know I have new bilstiens on rear planning to do the fronts) so I'm cruising down the expressway holding the camera out window fliming the front wheel. didn't see a bounce.

when all the time it was the rear acting up.

Yes aftermarket are a piece of pie to add. Because of battery's needing to be changed I use the external sensors. Can buy from $25 to hundreds of $$$$$ I have a $25 set on my pickup and the Eez on my RT. Not all the cheap ones will go over 50 PSI.

02 Chevy 3500 Roadtrek. No factory TPMS

Years ago I bought a Toyota with 14 year old tires on it. Driving home I felt a little vibration and a bit of noise, I thought what is BOOM that. No jack,no tools ERS to the rescue. https://www.amazon.com/EEZTire-TPMS...ocphy=1015137&hvtargid=pla-2281435179498&th=1

 

[ChicagoTom]

whats a decent tire for a B class

05pleasureway Lexor Chevy 3500 weight unloaded 8050.loaded add 900LBs

I think this could be a decent tire an the correct size. tire class rating ect.
hope it can w/stand extremely hot expressway surfaces.

also what is the tire preasure you guys use in fronts an rears for a simiarl weighted B class?
additionaly I will be towing my 24' yacth it's total weight is just under 4K LBs
thanks

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Michelin&tireModel=Agilis+CrossClimate&sidewall=Blackwall&partnum=475R6ACC&tab=Sizes.thanks

We have the same, except mine is an 2008 Chevy Lexor. I have Michelin Cross Climate tires. You should be running 50/80 I would not be worried about the weight, relating to empty tanks, half full etc. LOL A half tank of gas weighs about 120 pounds, or about 1% of the vehicle weight. Don't over think it.

 

[booster]

One thing that we have found is that the temp readings from the external sensors is not accurate, and usually very low compared to an infrared gun reading of the casing of the tire. The sensor reading is OK for comparison to normal readings to spot an problem, but is not an actual tire temp in almost all cases.

 

[booster]

I think sometimes there is a misunderstanding of why folks use different tire pressures compared to others or the door sticker pressures.

First off the door pressures are the minimum pressures that the stock size tires require to handle the maximum rated weight on that particular axle. They are NOT necessarily the recommended pressure which is not normally given on many vehicles. Some high performance tire equipped vehicles do seem to do the recommended, though.

People select the tire pressures, particularly the front, based on what characteristics they want, be it smoother ride, better steering response, tire temperatures, best mileage, whatever. As long as they are above the sticker minimum all are just fine. For instance, I find the 50psi door sticker pressure to ride nice but handle very poorly, others may not see it that way. Many have settled on 65/80 for both the Dodges and Chevies so a common balance point, I think. We ran ours there when we had stock size tires and it drove well.