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Old 12-20-2014, 06:42 PM   #31
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I have a 2012 pleasureway plateau RB with 12v TV ,fans, heat and lights. Use portable 400 watt inverter to charge Ipad and lithium batteries for Hobie kayaks. Love the simplicity of this setup, with the exception of one battery. Like the feature on LTV that isolates radio from chassis battery. Next mod. With 165 watt solar panel. Adding two AGM batteries under bed and using under hood house battery for radio. However, not pleased with overall quality of finish. In the process of refinishing cabinet doors. Love the bbb. Now if only easier, to maintain MB. Life is so complicated when you are retired.
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Old 12-23-2014, 12:09 AM   #32
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booster, I think the reason Roadtrek requires shore power to go thru the inverter which means the inverter must be ON for the 115v outlets to work when plugged in is this.

The 5000 watt inverter output is capable of more than the 30 amp shore cord can provide in amperage . So they would need to install a 5000 watt capable transfer switch to chose either the 30 amp shore power or the 5000 watt inverter output to supply the 115 v distribution panel. Then they would need to be able to feed the input of the 5000 watt inverter "from" the distribution panel via a circuit breaker. Definitely more complex and a bit more expensive. Keeping in mind that the 5000 watts is in excess of over 43 amps therefore the transfer switch needs to be probably a 50 amp model.

I believe the overall concept behind the E-trek is supposed to be simplicity. And it is "once the owner understands the operation." And trust me the original and now revised owners manual still is somewhat confusing as to how things operate. One of the big issues is the remote switch that comes with the 5000 watt inverter. It has STANDBY, OFF & INVERTER ON .positions. Most everyone understand OFF and INVERTER ON. Its the STANDBY that confuses most people. I don't know why they have it other than I believe the switch is supplied that way from the inverter manufacturer.

But I too would prefer an option of having shore power available when plugged in WITHOUT turning on the inverter and its constant running cooling fan. I would think the inverter manufacture could design one with a temperature operated cooling fan that only runs when your load is increasing and creating more heat from the transistors. And you need to turn it on to charge the RV batteries when on Shore Power. Our prior Class A Prevost Country Coach conversation bus, built back in the 90's had 2-4000 watt inverters, of course in a lower bay, but the fans only ran when the heat was increasing due to conversion of 24 v into 115 v. And obviously you could not hear them since they were in the lower bays, but if you had the bay door open and got close to the Trace inverters it was hard to even hear them running. They were also at least twice the physical size of the 5000 watt inverter in our E-trek but then that's what electronics had done: gotten smaller which then obviously increases heat due to the fact that there is less of an aluminum heat sink in the design.
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Old 12-23-2014, 01:21 AM   #33
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My Pleasure-way Plateau had a small 400w inverter just for the TV and my 2011 Great West Van Legend had a similar setup of a 750w inverter just for the TV. The odd thing is whenever we camped where TV reception was decent we were usually at an electrical hookup campsite. So, in both instances I rigged connections directly to 110VAC outlets to get around running the inverters because, even small, being right next to the TV, I found them the fans to be too loud and annoying.
We have the same experience with our PW. I have 1000W Inverter which I only use occasionally for a toaster or microwave. If boon docking in woods I start propane Onan and run everything!
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Old 12-23-2014, 05:58 PM   #34
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One mod I plan to do with my next rig is to get a Morningstar SureSine 300 (a relatively small PSW inverter which has the ability to have a monitor panel and a remote switch.) Since most rigs have a 1000-2000 watt inverter, I'd like to be able to shut that off when boondocking (so I don't have to hear fan noise and have that parasitic battery drain), and just use the 300 watt inverter for things like charging an electric shaver, plugging a laptop in, charging batteries for cordless tools, etc. Assuming a ten percent overhead, 30 watts are a lot less on the battery than 100-300 watts.
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110 electrical outlets in center of coach do not function when plugged in to shore power
bed works and back plug works but not kitchen, outside or bathroom plugs
yes have replaced ground plug in bathroom
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110 electrical outlets in center of coach do not function when plugged in to shore power
bed works and back plug works but not kitchen, outside or bathroom plugs
yes have replaced ground plug in bathroom

Welcome to the forum victor!


EDIT: It would help if you posted the make, model and year of your rv. That way, someone with the same model, and therefore familiar with your electrical layout, can offer you specific advice. But just in general, flip all your breakers fully off and back on. In rare instances, a breaker may be flipped internally, but look like it's in the on position when it's not.
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EDIT: It would help if you posted the make, model and year of your rv. That way, someone with the same model, and therefore familiar with your electrical layout, can offer you specific advice. But just in general, flip all your breakers fully off and back on. In rare instances, a breaker may be flipped internally, but look like it's in the on position when it's not.
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thanks for reply unit is 2008 pleasure way excel ts ford e350
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thanks for reply unit is 2008 pleasure way excel ts ford e350
Nice. Widebody I believe? Pretty sure we have several owners of similar models here plus a few electrical gurus.

Off topic, but temps here are 95f degrees (35c) for the foreseeable future. I wish I was up your way right now. We planned to visit Canada last year but I found out we needed passports and I applied too late to get them in time. Maybe soon though.
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110 electrical outlets in center of coach do not function when plugged in to shore power
bed works and back plug works but not kitchen, outside or bathroom plugs
yes have replaced ground plug in bathroom

Probably a Roadtrek and those outlets would commonly be the "inverter" outlets, which really means that they are not powered directly from shore power but go through the inverter/charger and it's internal transfer switch. This allows them to be run off the inverter when no shore power and on shore power when it is available. It should happen automatically when you plug in to shore power that they come on.



Do they come on if the inverter is on?



The also are on GFCI outlets which may be tripped or bad, which is very common. There should be at least on GFCI outlet running them, maybe more and will affect more than one outlet. Try to find them and reset them to see what happens, as that is the most common issue.
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Probably a Roadtrek and those outlets would commonly be the "inverter" outlets, which really means that they are not powered directly from shore power but go through the inverter/charger and it's internal transfer switch. This allows them to be run off the inverter when no shore power and on shore power when it is available. It should happen automatically when you plug in to shore power that they come on.



Do they come on if the inverter is on?



The also are on GFCI outlets which may be tripped or bad, which is very common. There should be at least on GFCI outlet running them, maybe more and will affect more than one outlet. Try to find them and reset them to see what happens, as that is the most common issue.
Hi

Thank you replaced the gfi in bathroom and power gets to plugs so it must have
been defective gfi however it still trips without any interference of plugging in
appliances or any action on my part if it is a short somewhere in the system
where and how do I begin my search?
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