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Old 08-15-2018, 01:11 PM   #11
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That's a nice looking rig! I wish more mfgs built on the Chevy chassis...
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Old 08-15-2018, 01:58 PM   #12
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That's a nice looking rig! I wish more mfgs built on the Chevy chassis...
Thanks. It's pretty much down to a couple of Roadtrek models, I believe, that are still built on the gas Chevy model.

Airstream probably made only a hundred or so Avenues from 2010-2012 so they are pretty rare. I had never owned a diesel before, the extended Sprinters are just a bit too long for my driveway, and short Sprinters beds were too short. Most Avenues had the side to side bed (way too short for me) but in the final year they made the Suite. Minus the two additional front seats, but with a 76" longitudinal rear bed with the seat down and enclosed wet bath. Both work for me.

Think Roadtrek 190P with the galley and bath flipped to the opposite sides and you have a good idea of the inside layout of my Avenue. Coincidentally, Airstream is coming out with a new short Sprinter for '2019 that is almost the spitting image of Avenue, minus the long bed (see comparison below).
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Old 08-15-2018, 02:58 PM   #13
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I like that layout. IMHO, bathrooms belong on the driver's side, and the galley on the "camp" (passenger's) side. I'd buy that floorplan in a split-second, if it came on a Chevy-based model with good quality construction and modern amenities like lithium batteries, high capacity pure sine wave inverter, underhood generator, compressor fridge, and such.
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I like that layout. IMHO, bathrooms belong on the driver's side, and the galley on the "camp" (passenger's) side. I'd buy that floorplan in a split-second, if it came on a Chevy-based model with good quality construction and modern amenities like lithium batteries, high capacity pure sine wave inverter, underhood generator, compressor fridge, and such.
I agree. It is an excellent layout. The only thing I don't like is the shower directly behind the driver. If they swapped the shower position with the microwave-fridge stack, there could be some open space behind the driver's head, which is good. Just a minor nit. Other than that, it is pretty close to perfect, IMO.
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I agree. It is an excellent layout. The only thing I don't like is the shower directly behind the driver. If they swapped the shower position with the microwave-fridge stack, there could be some open space behind the driver's head, which is good. Just a minor nit. Other than that, it is pretty close to perfect, IMO.
The shower directly behind the driver's seat does limit travel and seatback angle. I'm comfortable there at 6'2" but just by luck.

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I like that layout. IMHO, bathrooms belong on the driver's side, and the galley on the "camp" (passenger's) side. I'd buy that floorplan in a split-second, if it came on a Chevy-based model with good quality construction and modern amenities like lithium batteries, high capacity pure sine wave inverter, underhood generator, compressor fridge, and such.
Sounds like a Pleasure Way Lexor on the gas Promaster would be worth checking out. Except they still use a propane fridge. It's always something!
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TSounds like a Pleasure Way Lexor on the gas Promaster would be worth checking out. Except they still use a propane fridge. It's always something!
If a propane fridge were the only problem, I wouldn't even think about it. Swapping in a compressor unit would take maybe an hour. In the grand order of things, it would be a small matter.
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That's the Crossfit 22C layout on the Ford Transit. Plenty of room behind the driver's seat (which we fill up with the catbox) and compressor fridge, but no lithium at the moment - possibly in the fall. NO idea why the pic is sideways...
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That's the Crossfit 22C layout on the Ford Transit. Plenty of room behind the driver's seat (which we fill up with the catbox) and compressor fridge, but no lithium at the moment - possibly in the fall. NO idea why the pic is sideways...
Phonbe3, until I saw your Crossfit layout, I didn't realize it is nearly identical to my Avenue. I will admit the Transit is taller and more open (like the Sprinters). The chevy-based rv's like mine can be a little claustrophobic in comparison.

Bryantch, you should look into the Crossfit. You may find you don't need the lithium battery option. We don't in our Avenue with just two lead-acid wet cell (spelled "cheapo") Sam's Club batteries. We do driving trips and never stay more than a single night in one location. Usually hit camp about 6pm and broke camp about 9am the next morning, on average.

As long as we were only doing a single overnight dry camp and our batteries were fully charged from driving, we were fine. We dry camped 9 of 13 nights on our trip in May from the Texas coast to Yellowstone. We were able to run our lights & 12volt tv/dvd combo from 6pm-10pm, run either our Maxxfan or furnace overnight (depending on temperature), and never woke up to less than 70-75% battery capacity. And we also have the compressor fridge running 24/7. We did not have a need to use the inverter our entire trip, so that additional battery drain was not an issue.

Phoebe3 can probably confirm that if you are judicious with your electricity use and eliminate unnecessary parasitic drains, you can get by without the need for a costly Lithium battery option (along with the accompanying teething pains of a fairly new technology).
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We've been surviving on two 105AH lead acid batteries for a year now. We have similar power usage to RowieBowie except we power a couple of laptops instead of the TV. We can easily go 24 hours without starting the van engine or genny. However, you need the generator or shore power to run the microwave or AC since there's no inverter.

We have a propane cooktop (i.e., no induction) and the Truma heater, which uses propane to heat and 12V to run the fan.

If you installed an inverter, you could probably run the AC for about 45 minutes using the existing wet cells - long enough to buy groceries or grab a quick lunch with your pet in the van.

My floorplan is a little different since I have the 22D. We wanted to be able to load large things (bikes, kayak, lumber, etc.) through the back doors.
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I don't think this statement is accurate.

Yes - DEF systems are here to stay and required on all road diesels built since 2010. But they will not be required on pre-2010 diesels. There has never been a retroactive emissions system requirement slapped on older vehicles as long as it has the original engine. The requirements change as they did from 2007 to 2010. In 2007 diesels were required to have Diesel Particulate Filters (DPF) to reduce particulate emissions, the black smoke common on older diesels. That change also drove the requirement for Ultra Low Sulphur Diesel (ULSD). Then in 2010 diesels were required to further reduce NO (Nitrogen Oxide). Most manufactures installed Selective Catalytic Reduction (SCR) systems that requires Diesel Exhaust Fluid (DEF). DEF is essential to the catalytic process. The chemical urea in DEF reacts with the nitrogen oxide after it has left the engine, turning 90 percent of it into nitrogen and water vapor. This almost completely eliminates the harmful emissions.

The only major diesel vehicle manufacturer that didn't use SCR and DEF in 2010 was Volkswagen and we all know how that ended.

Vehicles are only required to meet the emissions requirements in force in the year they were manufactured. New emissions requirements don't flow backwards to older vehicles.
FYI-

The smog requirements in California are probably the most stringent in the nation.
Here's the emissions requirements below.....

I hope your vehicle is excluded .... otherwise, you're subject
By the time your vehicle is over 21 years old.... I'm guessing that you'll want a newer model?

Currently, smog inspections are required for all vehicles except diesel powered vehicles 1997 year model and older or with a Gross Vehicle Weight (GVWR) of more than 14,000 lbs, electric, natural gas powered vehicles over 14,000 lbs, motorcycles, trailers, or gasoline powered vehicles 1975 and older

If your vehicle fails to pass...you will not be able to get your vehicle registration.. effectively grounding you... without extensive repairs.... cost will be extremely expensive. Read what happens if your vehicle is identified as a "gross polluter"....

Of course if you don't live in California...you won't have to worry about these regulations.
One final thing many states are adopting new emissions requirements all the time... the newer vehicles are lower on the carbon footprint....


https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/?1...dmv/vr/smogfaq
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