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Old 07-03-2018, 11:43 PM   #1
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I have an old ('95) Pleasure Way. A good friend has asked if she can rent it. My reply was "No - complicated insurance considerations, but I have let another friend borrow it in the past". This woman friend has lengthy physical medical issues that have hindered her mobility in the past, but does drive her own car. She would "drift" around British Columbia, perhaps for a week or so. i'm struggling with what to tell her, and particularly whether to say yes or no. My principal concerns revolve around driving an old, heavy van, proper adherence to use of propane, ability to dump tanks, proper levelling for fridge, etc. So, reluctant to say "yes" and hard to say "no" - she's keen.
Appreciate any thoughts/experiences you might have. Thanks
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I have an old ('95) Pleasure Way. A good friend has asked if she can rent it. My reply was "No - complicated insurance considerations, but I have let another friend borrow it in the past". This woman friend has lengthy physical medical issues that have hindered her mobility in the past, but does drive her own car. She would "drift" around British Columbia, perhaps for a week or so. i'm struggling with what to tell her, and particularly whether to say yes or no. My principal concerns revolve around driving an old, heavy van, proper adherence to use of propane, ability to dump tanks, proper levelling for fridge, etc. So, reluctant to say "yes" and hard to say "no" - she's keen.
Appreciate any thoughts/experiences you might have. Thanks
There are basically 2 issues:

Ethics

$'s

Ethics concerning hurting others by her with your assistance.

$'s, what is it likely to cost you?

Hey, just do the right thing.

Sometimes it is not simple, other times it is obvious.

Wishing you the best.

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Old 07-04-2018, 01:09 AM   #3
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Simple questions...

1. If something breaks down, who is going to pay for it?

2. If it needs a tow, who is going to pay for it?

3. If a third party gets hurt, who is going to pay for it?
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Old 07-04-2018, 01:46 AM   #4
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Even when someone has put me on the spot, I have difficulty with just saying "no" because it's so abrupt. Can you articulate why you will not rent to her but would let someone else borrow it? For example, is your relationship different? Or does the other person have considerable experience with RVs or experience driving a similarly-sized vehicle? Have you borrowed expensive things of theirs?

Would you be willing to rent it for, say, three days, but not feel comfortable letting it go for a week? Will she pay enough in rental fees to justify the time you will spend getting her familiar with the systems and cleaning it when it's returned? You should calculate those costs in the rental fees - it may be more than she wants to pay.

Would you be willing to rent if she demonstrated an understanding of the systems and an ability to make everything work as it should? People unfamiliar with RVs tend to assume it is like a house - you flush the toilet and don't worry about what happens afterward...or you turn on the faucet and get hot water without having to turn on the water heater... or you can take a 20 minute shower without running out of water (or filling the grey tank)...or the refrigerator works without worrying about being level or running out of electricity (or propane). Learning about the requirements and limitations may cause her to rethink her request.

If she has physical issues, can she demonstrate the ability to drive and park and run the systems and empty tanks, etc?

An additional problem may be the ability to make park reservations during the summer.

In the US, if you let someone borrow your vehicle with permission, you are financially responsible, so an accident will affect your insurance. If something really bad happens and you are sued for more than the limits on your policy, you may be personally liable. If you rent the van for payment, you will likely need special insurance and she should be expected to cover the cost. No idea what the Canadian laws are like, but I would expect something similar.

Is there someplace nearby that rents Bs or Cs? You may ferret them out as backup options for her. Once one knows all the ins-and-outs of RV ownership, one finds that it is often cheaper, and a lot less trouble, to stay in a hotel.
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Old 07-04-2018, 02:13 AM   #6
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A good friend has asked if she can rent it...so. i'm struggling with what to tell her... Appreciate any thoughts/experiences you might have. Thanks
Is this good friend married...I'm guessing not...I'm thinking that you are supposed to say no, but you are willing to travel with her ...which might be what she really wants you to say...
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I have an old ('95) Pleasure Way. A good friend has asked if she can rent it. My reply was "No - complicated insurance considerations, but I have let another friend borrow it in the past". This woman friend has lengthy physical medical issues that have hindered her mobility in the past, but does drive her own car. She would "drift" around British Columbia, perhaps for a week or so. i'm struggling with what to tell her, and particularly whether to say yes or no. My principal concerns revolve around driving an old, heavy van, proper adherence to use of propane, ability to dump tanks, proper levelling for fridge, etc. So, reluctant to say "yes" and hard to say "no" - she's keen.
Appreciate any thoughts/experiences you might have. Thanks

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This woman friend has lengthy physical medical issues that have hindered her mobility in the past, but does drive her own car.

I don't recommend loaning or renting no matter what.....WHY???

Insurance risk management..... It's a real thing.....

If someone discovers that you think she's unable to handle a vehicle of this size...the outcome will be VERY poor for you if she's involved in an accident....

What medical issues are you talking about exactly???

Do you know this person's driving record...?? Medical issues are the first thing they look at when they decide to suspend or restrict someone's ability to drive ...

Your poor judgement in loaning any car to someone who is not capable of driving it will be devastating...

She drives a car... SO WHAT... that's not an RV....

OH...one final piece of advice... I actually thought about renting out my RV for commercial profit...and looked into what's necessary...

SHORT ANSWER....it requires commercial insurance.. about $1,000 per month....
When I found this out... plus the other obvious risks of having the rig damaged and being out of service...I dismissed it....it's NOT a good idea..,
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What is wrong with just coming out and saying no, I don't want to lend my vehicle out?

I recently went thru a very similar situation, but with a boat. Neighbor called and said they were having all their family and the grandchildren down to the lake; wanted to "borrow" my pontoon, inasmuch as I haven't used if all that often. That response was NO, and I followed with:
I don't loan my vehicles, because I worked too long and hard for it
I will not allow someone to load a herd of children on there, go out and anchor to swim (plenty deep at the docks). I could imagine a lawsuit big time!
If you anger or loose the friend.....they really weren't a friend. Ron
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Could you just so happen to be planning to use it the week she wants?

More directly, you just might say that it has a pretty serious learning curve--maybe throw in that it's old and cantankerous--and you wouldn't want her to get stranded somewhere. It would be better for her to rent a newer and more reliable vehicle.
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What is wrong with just coming out and saying no, I don't want to lend my vehicle out?

I recently went thru a very similar situation, but with a boat. Neighbor called and said they were having all their family and the grandchildren down to the lake; wanted to "borrow" my pontoon, inasmuch as I haven't used if all that often. That response was NO, and I followed with:
I don't loan my vehicles, because I worked too long and hard for it
I will not allow someone to load a herd of children on there, go out and anchor to swim (plenty deep at the docks). I could imagine a lawsuit big time!
If you anger or loose the friend.....they really weren't a friend. Ron
I agree 100 percent with everything you said.....
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