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Old 06-12-2019, 04:53 PM   #1
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I am completely fed up with Microsoft at his point.


When we travel we use a Verizon hot spot through a tablet for internet. We don't use data on phones except in rare cases.



When traveling, I have always kept the auto updates off unless we had a non metered connection to preserve our purchased data. It worked well for a decade for us, but now M has decided that there should be no way to turn off the auto updates. I have disabled in gpedit and every other trick I could find on the forums without success. Might work for a little while but all of a sudden turns itself on and update. We recently got socked with 5.3G of update during a two week trip that we had 4G paid for our use, and I had the update disabled and checked the day we left.


I have found a few more new methods of disabling auto, but now M has blocked changing those settings even with all the permissions set for everything and logged in as admin.


The forums appear to be full of users with the same problem, but fixes don't last or are now blocked. I have seen threads 1000 posts long with the same issue from all.


When out in the prairie on a crap connection barely running dialup speed, 5G will tie up the connection for days, not to mention the cost.


Does anyone have a clue what to do about this? Can update be unistalled and the put back on when wanted, or is Linux the only solution?
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Old 06-12-2019, 05:41 PM   #2
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I am completely fed up with Microsoft at his point.


When we travel we use a Verizon hot spot through a tablet for internet. We don't use data on phones except in rare cases.



When traveling, I have always kept the auto updates off unless we had a non metered connection to preserve our purchased data. It worked well for a decade for us, but now M has decided that there should be no way to turn off the auto updates. I have disabled in gpedit and every other trick I could find on the forums without success. Might work for a little while but all of a sudden turns itself on and update. We recently got socked with 5.3G of update during a two week trip that we had 4G paid for our use, and I had the update disabled and checked the day we left.


I have found a few more new methods of disabling auto, but now M has blocked changing those settings even with all the permissions set for everything and logged in as admin.


The forums appear to be full of users with the same problem, but fixes don't last or are now blocked. I have seen threads 1000 posts long with the same issue from all.


When out in the prairie on a crap connection barely running dialup speed, 5G will tie up the connection for days, not to mention the cost.


Does anyone have a clue what to do about this? Can update be unistalled and the put back on when wanted, or is Linux the only solution?
I don't have your solution, but I use another one at home. I use a chromebox and larger monitor at home to avoid windows 'stuff'.

The solution that I have wanted to use traveling is the same, chromebook laptop. The problem I would have traveling with a chromebook is obtaining wifi at a distance. I've used an external wifi adaptor/antenna (usb port) with a windows laptop all inside the B and never failed to score wifi if it was available. I want to travel with a chromebook, but it won't support an external wifi adaptor (usb port). I want the chromebook for the same reason - No windows updates.

My guess is that Chromebox/books will support a usb solution someday. If I were a geek about this, there might be a solution now.

If I can't find a solution, I may travel with both windows and chromebook laptops or use something like one of those antenna/router things with chromebook only.

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Maybe periodically reapplying steps 1, 2 & 3 - https://www.easeus.com/todo-backup-r...ly-update.html - while you're away will help.

Also, turn off WiFi when computer is on but not being used might help.
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Maybe periodically reapplying steps 1, 2 & 3 - https://www.easeus.com/todo-backup-r...ly-update.html - while you're away will help.

Also, turn off WiFi when computer is on but not being used might help.

Those are all one's we have done and no longer work. In fact, while I was trying to find a solution it did another auto update, after I had disabled this morning, for another .6G.


What I have found is that the udates are getting turned back on by a Microsoft "task orchestrater" indirectly by scheduling a scan of some sort, and the scan turns on the updates so it is current for the scan, again through the orchestrater. Downside is that all the changes you need to do in the orchestrater are locked up with a Microsoft password so can't change. The have the orchestrater to do the scan at ever log in, so totally unaviodable



I did find a post that linked a program that you have to go in through CMD as an administrator which then opens the task scheduler stuff in a changeable mode. The post was related to repeated waking up of the PC, but that is also in the orchestrater and all worked the same.


I now have all that task set to only run if a new and not normally used user is logged in and only if on the home internet connection, on top of having it all also disabled.


We will see if it holds this time.


I am really starting to believe Orwell was right


This stuff has all been changed in the last few months, and many of the options are still there but don't do anything anymore.
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Are you running a Home or Professional version of Windows 10?
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Have you considered or used the windows hide tool?

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...ling-in-window

Maybe have it start at logon and throughout the day ........ I'd want the antivirus update for example but not the other one until on WiFi:

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More options: https://greatis.com/stopupdates10/
and https://www.majorgeeks.com/content/p...indows_10.html
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I take my PC primely for no Wi-Fi use and with Wi-Fi for some urgent issues. For email and some social media, I use an Android device.

It is not going to get better, besides updates cloud computing and storage is another issue.

Adobe Lightroom [photographic editing software recently discontinued support for standalone copies moving to cloud base subscription only. To encourage customers to move to subscription Adobe discontinued new lens support for standalone copies, very frustrating. Last year I purchased a new Sony lens which is no longer supported by my standalone copy. A lot of folks are upset about it. This Adobe money making machine forcing folks to subscription backfired with me and a lot other folks, so I just got a standalone copied from ON1 competing product.

Cloud computing, cloud back-ups are going to require more data with mobile internet in 21st Century. Uncontrolled updates are frustrating but cloud stuff will likely be more frustrating unless $/GB will go down.
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Are you running a Home or Professional version of Windows 10?

This is home edition, but I have added gpedit to it to get the update control. It worked for quite a while until M changed things. I read a couple of places that said that it doesn't matter how you have updates set it will always auto download version changes (those can be huge, the last one was 5Gig), and when it does that it also tunrns all the auto update stuff back on so everything updates auto.
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Have you considered or used the windows hide tool?

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...ling-in-window

Maybe have it start at logon and throughout the day ........ I'd want the antivirus update for example but not the other one until on WiFi:

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I will have to look closer at the hide function, as I got the impression that stuff still downloaded but wouldn't install.
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