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Old 08-13-2018, 07:44 PM   #11
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Thanks Bob for your thoughts, you sound very much like where we are in decision process. We’re also almost first timers to having an RV.
We’re also looking at Coachmen CrossFit, especiLly to see if they upgrade the electronics with the new 2919 van. Figure there are Ford dealers everywhere.

Retired pilot by any chance!? I noticed you said kitchen was on “co-pilots side”!

Wife and I are retired airline folks, I flew and she checked in.
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Old 08-14-2018, 01:00 PM   #12
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Thanks Bob for your thoughts, you sound very much like where we are in decision process. We’re also almost first timers to having an RV.
We’re also looking at Coachmen CrossFit, especiLly to see if they upgrade the electronics with the new 2919 van. Figure there are Ford dealers everywhere.

Retired pilot by any chance!? I noticed you said kitchen was on “co-pilots side”!

Wife and I are retired airline folks, I flew and she checked in.
hmmm...no to the pilots. Guess I always view traveling as you need or is better if you have two people. One to man the vehicle and one to navigate where you are going. :>
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Old 08-19-2018, 05:07 PM   #13
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FWIW diesel prices are going up by about 20% in 2019. There was a big article in our paper here this morning about it. Fleet owners are very worried. Also, manufacturers don’t beef up much at all when they put diesel in a vehicle that normally has a gasoline engine. Diesels require larger batteries, and more insulation, but that’s about it. I would love to see an analysis of the true cost of ownership. Diesels last forever, but most people don’t keep their vehicles forever.
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We have a 2015 Accent & have been happy with it. The layout with the kitchen looking out on the traditional “campsite side” of the unit was what sold my wife.
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I have had different Class B's (Open Road on a Ford Econoline chassis in 72, made 2 out of Ford Econoline chassis, Airstream B190 and now the PW Ascent). I purchased the Ascent for several reasons: ease of driving/parking, great fuel economy (22-24MPG), 2-100watt Lithium Ion batteries, larger bathroom (same as 24' models) on drriver's side (no blindspot), 8500# gross weight and still can pull 5000#, 190 watt solar (great for boon docking), and some of the other features mentioned in other replies. In addition, the Sprinter 144" chassis is single rear wheels; has cross-wind correction; blind-spot monitoring; lane assist monitoring, a 5-year, 60K miles PW warranty on the coach, plus a good warrenty on the Sprinter from MB. The interior is excellent, well-finished and very comfortable memory foam. Jst my opinion, good luck in your selection.
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Old 08-19-2018, 11:24 PM   #16
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Thanks Bob for your thoughts, you sound very much like where we are in decision process. We’re also almost first timers to having an RV.
We’re also looking at Coachmen CrossFit, especiLly to see if they upgrade the electronics with the new 2919 van. Figure there are Ford dealers everywhere.

Retired pilot by any chance!? I noticed you said kitchen was on “co-pilots side”!

Wife and I are retired airline folks, I flew and she checked in.
I see Bob addressed this issue... I have an older 2012 Roadtrek RS Adventurous.

Around 39,000 miles last December we had an issue with the emissions system. Brought it to Mercedes and discovered that they were going to replace the entire system with brand new software, new catalytic converter, NOX sensors, pretty much everything... cost was well over $4,000...

Now, for the good news.... the emissions system is under warranty for 8 years and 80,0000 miles... thankfully, the federal emissions warranty covered everything.

Keep an eye on your DEF consumption ..if you start using a lot of it, you probably have issues, I noticed this right away and alerted MB... although they were slow to catch on.

Like Bob, I think the "advantages" of the MB diesel outweigh the disadvantages, but, it will probably be more expensive in the long run to maintain.

Take a very close look at the Crossfit, particularly the front dashboard and the very cramped quarters there.. if you're fine with that, then go ahead and consider it.... I didn't like it. Also, the ability for climbing mountains is better for the diesel. Fuel efficiency suffers with the gasoline models as well, it's a trade off. But, like Bob said, the gasoline models cost less to purchase.

Good luck.
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FWIW, based on a Google search, the most frequently cited diesel price rise predicted for 2019 was 2%. I can handle that with my Social Security adjustment.
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That's an easy one.. The Ascent. Roadtreks have way too many build quality issues from what I've seen; exposed wiring inside cabinets, poor fit and finish, etc. On the other hand, Pleasure Way is widely respected as one of the best quality B van builders. They may not have the latest high capacity batteries and such, but the build quality is definitely there. Personally, I wouldn't buy a RT, unless it was used and an incredible deal, leaving room in the budget for repairs and upgrades.

Also, as others have mentioned, RT insists on placing the galley on the wrong side of the coach. It should be on the camp side
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Actually I think Pleasureway has 1-2 lithium batteries in all of their rigs now. And I assume that solar is an option. Too bad they don't dump the Onan for the added alternator.
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Default On my short list too, but problems with Roadtrek QC?

I have been reading the owner posts on the Roadtrek Owners Facebook page, and there are several reports of big issues that some owners have had with their new Agiles - much having to do with things that went wrong, and the dealer service, even sending back to Canada for service, did not get fixed right. A long warranty isn't much good if things don't get fixed, or keep going wrong! Sounded like a big nightmare. I have heard that PleasureWay has much better quality control, but since you have to actually be a PleasureWay owner to get into their forum, I havn't been able to get much info on that company. Wonder if you all know more about this (the QC issue).

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On our short list of potential B vans are the Agile and the Ascent. Wondering if any recent owners of these vans have any input good or bad?

Somewhat wary of the diesel. We have been studying the Sprinter and emission issues, even found a hack for resetting the restart message. But wary of sprinters reputation.

The Ascent has a nicer layout in that we like the bathroom on the driver side but it doesn’t have the ekotrek of the Agile. We like the extra safety features like blind spot, TPMS, lane assist and collision that most Bs don’t have. The Ascent seems very well built and both look stealthy and noble to handle which suits us.
Also on our list are CrossFit, Aktiv and Travato.
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