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Old 08-14-2018, 12:19 AM   #1
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Hello all. Just coming from a large dp and downsizing to a unit we will hopefully use a lot more.

Our main use will be just for travel to and from and occasionally to camp.

We have narrowed down our choices to the Winnebago era and airstream interstate.

Budget wise we are hoping to be at 60 but may go up a bit for the right deal.

Right now we have identified a 2014 era that fits our needs and a 2010 Airstream.

Would you go with the newer bus that is arguably a lower build quality or the older higher quality unit.?

Give me the pros and cons of each of you donít mind. I have spent hours researching and just need a little outside direction to help my decision.

Thanks in advance
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I'd be surprised if you can find either of those models for $60K.

If the 2010 Interstate is built on a 2009 Freightliner Sprinter - it would be a pre-DEF model. That would be worth buying since most of the Sprinter emissions system issues have been related to the DEF system on Sprinters since 2010.

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I was unaware that 2010 model interstates were pre DEF...thatís definitely a plus.

Price wise both units asking prices are within a couple of grand of my stated goal price wise.

The ERA is a better ďdealĒ on paper but still a tough choice
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Bryantch, Have you considered a used Pleasure-way or Leisure Travel Van Free Spirit? In our search 2 years ago, we found those Canadian-made Class B's to be high quality rigs, and the layout more to our liking than Winnie, Airstream or Roadtrek. We got lucky with a 2010 (on pre-DEF 2008 Sprinter) Free Spirit in excellent condition. There are several listed on RVTrader.com.
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We like the Both of those units but they are not easy finds...especially in our price range.

Arenít their issues with the toilet, awning and holding tanks on the interstate?
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Hello all. Just coming from a large dp and downsizing to a unit we will hopefully use a lot more.

Our main use will be just for travel to and from and occasionally to camp.

We have narrowed down our choices to the Winnebago era and airstream interstate.

Budget wise we are hoping to be at 60 but may go up a bit for the right deal.

Right now we have identified a 2014 era that fits our needs and a 2010 Airstream.

Would you go with the newer bus that is arguably a lower build quality or the older higher quality unit.?

Give me the pros and cons of each of you donít mind. I have spent hours researching and just need a little outside direction to help my decision.

Thanks in advance
My advice generally is always LOOK for the newest model.. and CONDITION and maintenance records are everything....

I looked at Winnebago Era models before I purchased my 2012 RS Adventurous by Roadtrek. If you can find a clean 2014 and it's been well taken care of, I would choose that over older models.

Look, the DEF issue is here to stay... would you rather have an older non DEF model that someday won't pass emissions... think about that?

The older model has more time wear and tear.. don't dismiss that as nonsense. A lot of parts wear out because of time.. it's not just mileage. Mileage is only one factor..

And the value of your rig is based on how "new" it is not on low mileage. A lot of people miss that point.

So, that's my advice, hope it helps.
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We like the Both of those units but they are not easy finds...especially in our price range.

Arenít their issues with the toilet, awning and holding tanks on the interstate?
I'm on Airforums.com and can't recall issues with the toilet, awning and holding tanks on the interstates in your age/price range.

I've been where you are when looking for my first class b last year. It was an agonizing process trying to find the "perfect rv for me".

The popularity of rv's in general has unfortunately kept prices up. In my case, I purchased at '2012 Airstream Avenue Suite (Chevy 3500 chassis) for $56,500. I paid too much until you consider it was $10K less that comparable Avenues and Roadtreks I'd been seeing for sale. The only reason I mention this is I bet I could have bought the same model back when it was 2-3 years old for very little more than I paid for it at 6 years old.

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... Look, the DEF issue is here to stay... would you rather have an older non DEF model that someday won't pass emissions... think about that? .....

I don't think this statement is accurate.

Yes - DEF systems are here to stay and required on all road diesels built since 2010. But they will not be required on pre-2010 diesels. There has never been a retroactive emissions system requirement slapped on older vehicles as long as it has the original engine. The requirements change as they did from 2007 to 2010. In 2007 diesels were required to have Diesel Particulate Filters (DPF) to reduce particulate emissions, the black smoke common on older diesels. That change also drove the requirement for Ultra Low Sulphur Diesel (ULSD). Then in 2010 diesels were required to further reduce NO (Nitrogen Oxide). Most manufactures installed Selective Catalytic Reduction (SCR) systems that requires Diesel Exhaust Fluid (DEF). DEF is essential to the catalytic process. The chemical urea in DEF reacts with the nitrogen oxide after it has left the engine, turning 90 percent of it into nitrogen and water vapor. This almost completely eliminates the harmful emissions.

The only major diesel vehicle manufacturer that didn't use SCR and DEF in 2010 was Volkswagen and we all know how that ended.

Vehicles are only required to meet the emissions requirements in force in the year they were manufactured. New emissions requirements don't flow backwards to older vehicles.
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I wouldn't say an Airstream is a higher quality build than an Era. It may have some nicer laminates - but that's about it. Era has a great track record of reliability. There is much more to a Class B than what the cabinets are constructed out of. Most of the appliances and the systems like water pumps, furnaces, refrigerators, cooktops and water heaters, etc., are the same units in all Class B's.

My bet is the Airstream is over-priced if it's on par with a Winnebago that is 4 years newer, unless the Era has really high mileage that is pushing it's value down.
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One thing I found helpful was to make a list of "Must Have" items and find the motor home that the most number of these features.

My goal was to find the smallest class b with all the features below
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1) Minimum 76" bed. (I believe all long Sprinter based models meet this criteria, but so do some others).
2) Compressor refrigerator (Airstream went to these earlier than most).
3) Gas engine (If you think this rules out Airstream, wait until the end).
4) Fully enclosed wet bath. (a few Roadtreks lack this feature).

My search took a while and I had to drive to Houston (200 miles away) to find the model rv I wanted. Turns out I found a '2012 Airstream Avenue Suite on the Chevy 3500 chassis that had the top items I wanted. Plus, it has passed our Neighborhood Assoc. scrutiny for nearly a year now.

So I suggest you make you own list of pros & cons that can help you narrow your choice.

Good luck!
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