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Old 08-28-2017, 10:56 PM   #1
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Default Mercedes Metris - Marco Polo Conversion

New to forum and potential Metris buyer. Interested in using Metris as Marco Polo (w/ or w/o the pop-up top). My understanding is that V-class Marco Polo will not be available in USA. The quality I see on U.S. based camper conversion companies (GTRV or Sportsmobile) is not that great. Do you know if it is possible to purchase/order the interior units of the Marco Polo?
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Old 08-29-2017, 01:45 AM   #2
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I doubt it. That said, if you can find a source, most of the US converters will sell you a Metris with just the pop-top and you can do it yourself.

There are 5 or 6 or 7 companies doing Metris conversions. All of them are basically the same... and the same as the "marco polo."

The reality is that there isn't much more that can be done with that small amount of space.
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Getting a European fit and finish in US is difficult. Perhaps Hymer will decide to bring their V-class Metris in NA here. https://www.mercedes-benz.com/en/mer...dan-with-star/ Hymer adds modular flexibility to Mercedes V-Class camper van

But, I wouldn’t count to see it soon. B-class, or should I call the Metris class a B minus – class, market is small and even Hymer/Roadtrek Camping World disastrous temporary boost will continue to struggle to increase this market.

In 1977 and 1985 I purchased Westfalias directly from VW dealers, if Mercedes would decide to sell Marco Polo directly from their dealerships this sale process could take away some portion from the ubiquitous SUVs market, but, doubtful it will happen.

It is very upsetting to walk into a Mercedes dealership in EU and have opportunity to drive away in Marco Polo for $55-60K. https://www.mercedes-benz.co.uk/cont...arco-polo.html
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The website brochure suggests the price is 50-60K pounds sterling... which is $65-78K. And it looks like there are lots of options to make it even more. Looks more luxurious that the current US options.
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Prices are “on the road prices” which includes 20% VAT. Difficult to judge what actual prices would be in US or Canada.

Just another possible scenario - V class is £47K and Marco Polo is £55K so the difference about 20%. V class in NA is Metris for about $35K + 20% = about $42.

Back in 1977 and 1985 when I purchased Westfalias from VW dealers the price penalties for the camping versions were similar, at least I don’t remember to be much more expensive than passenger versions.
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I doubt it. That said, if you can find a source, most of the US converters will sell you a Metris with just the pop-top and you can do it yourself.

There are 5 or 6 or 7 companies doing Metris conversions. All of them are basically the same... and the same as the "marco polo."

The reality is that there isn't much more that can be done with that small amount of space.
I doubt these converters can deliver the fit/finish/design you get with the Marco Polo. Yes, functionally the same, but not nearly as slick.

I've very curious to see what Advanced RV comes up with on their Metris project. They may be the best bet to get that high level finish one would expect with the MP.
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I would vote for ARV as well except; will they be able to invest in tooling to get some of this well engineered fit and finish qualities on par with Marco Polo. Volume is required to justify proper tooling, ARV is one at the time shop, good shop but small.
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I would vote for ARV as well except; will they be able to invest in tooling to get some of this well engineered fit and finish qualities on par with Marco Polo. Volume is required to justify proper tooling, ARV is one at the time shop, good shop but small.
There in lies the beauty of the way ARV does things - they have a CNC machine to cut all their parts, so there isn't tooling as you'd typically require. All their cabinets are done this way if I understand correctly.

Not sure about doing plastic molded panels for the interior - you may have a point there. But they do make their own tanks, so maybe they can do those too.

I'm sure it's not far off where everyone will have large 3D printers and can make anything they can dream up!
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Very cute little tiny RV.
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There in lies the beauty of the way ARV does things - they have a CNC machine to cut all their parts, so there isn't tooling as you'd typically require. All their cabinets are done this way if I understand correctly.
Not sure about doing plastic molded panels for the interior - you may have a point there. But they do make their own tanks, so maybe they can do those too.
I'm sure it's not far off where everyone will have large 3D printers and can make anything they can dream up!
In my DIY conversion I extensively used CNC, great for productivity of just flat panels just as water or laser cutting. For 3D production applications plastic molding is a winner, but tooling is expensive.

We used 3D printing technology back in the early nineties for very complex prototypes. Great technology for small parts, for prototypes or small runs. Personally, I don’t believe it will replace quality plastic molding, just too many limits in materials, sizes and long production cycles per part. It costs Ford $3K for 3D printed intake manifold and $500 for a molded one, so for prototype 3D is an absolute winner but for the production volume it is not. With voxels of 50 microns, such as HP Jet Fusion, it takes a long time to build a part, minutes or hours, versus seconds for a mold. There are products which will require 3D printing like complex shapes in medical field or parts impossible to make using conventional technologies, but this is not a camper.
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