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Old 07-19-2018, 12:26 AM   #1
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Hi All,

I ordered my RV at the beginning of May and recently the dealer I ordered my RV from informed me MB has changed the Sprinter chassis options so the 9" Large Screen GPS option I ordered no longer available and it got replaced with a list of safety features instead.

Has this happened to anyone in the forum here? The new options come with a small 7" screen instead of 9" as rear view camera. I am interested in what you suggest the next step for me. I can walk away from the purchase agreement which has been signed by both the dealer and me.

Thank you!
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I have a seven inch back up camera monitor in my Roadtrek and the screen in my Jeep Grand Cherokee is a little smaller. All I can tell you it is certainly sufficient for my viewing.

I am sure you went through a lot of considerations before you decided on the B that was perfect for you and I would think layout, tank and storage capacities, fit and finish would be more important than a slightly smaller monitor. That being said, if it really causes you to second guess your purchase, that is another matter.

What make and model did you order?
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Considering that most of my rigs have had 5" screens, I would be THRILLED with 7" ... and I could probably even see it.
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Hi Doneworking and Mumkin,

Thank you so much for your reply.

I ordered 2019 Winnebago Era 70X mostly for short trips with 2 kids. I am not retired so I can't afford those month long trips that I dream all the time. I would agree the 7" is not too bad except I have a 9" on my SUV and the larger size just making the backing must easier I guess.
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Hi All,

I ordered my RV at the beginning of May and recently the dealer I ordered my RV from informed me MB has changed the Sprinter chassis options so the 9" Large Screen GPS option I ordered no longer available and it got replaced with a list of safety features instead.

Has this happened to anyone in the forum here? The new options come with a small 7" screen instead of 9" as rear view camera. I am interested in what you suggest the next step for me. I can walk away from the purchase agreement which has been signed by both the dealer and me.

Thank you!
I'll defer to the Sprinter gurus aboard for the best answer, but there's something about this that seems short of passing the sniff test Have you confirmed that this is actually a Mercedes option change and not a dealer ordering screw up?

The replacement of the option with dealer safety features is puzzling since this advanced safety package has been available on the Sprinter since 2014 and subsequently I think that every Sprinter builder for domestic consumption included the driver safety features as standard equipment. Is this some newer version of the safety equipment package?

Looking at the brochuire, this seems like a dynamite option and it would be unfortunate if it's discontinued.

https://www.alpine-electronics.se/p/...iew/X902D-S906
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.... but there's something about this that seems short of passing the sniff test Have you confirmed that this is actually a Mercedes option change and not a dealer ordering screw up?...
^^^^ That!
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Are you guys talking about Mercedes' OEM "Audio 15" head unit, or some aftermarket product that the upfitter installs?

I am quite sure that Mercedes only offers one screen size on NCV3 Sprinters. This will no doubt change for Sprinter MY2019.
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Are you guys talking about Mercedes' OEM "Audio 15" head unit, or some aftermarket product that the upfitter installs?

I am quite sure that Mercedes only offers one screen size on NCV3 Sprinters. This will no doubt change for Sprinter MY2019.
See the link in #5 for the option. It's built by Alpine but it looks like a factory option doesn't it?
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See the link in #5 for the option. It's built by Alpine but it looks like a factory option doesn't it?
No. That is NOT a MB factory option. It has nothing to do with Mercedes. The product may well have been targeted toward Sprinters, but not by MB.
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No. That is NOT a MB factory option. It has nothing to do with Mercedes. The product may well have been targeted toward Sprinters, but not by MB.
I know next to nothing about Sprinters, so you da man, but it leaves me wondering:

If Mercedes is not involved, how does this Alpine unit get powered up. I don't see any power cables. Doesn't the brochure indicate that the S906 display requires the Mercedes X902 option, whatever that is?

Also, if this is a totally third party display, why would the dealer tell the OP that Mercedes had deleted this display and substituted a driver safety option?
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I initially ordered Large Screen-INFO/GPS (153 package) and now got replaced by Light and rain sensor for auto headlight dimming and wiper, blind spot monitoring, collision prevention assist, lane keeping assist and rearview system (8Fv and 85Y packages).
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I initially ordered Large Screen-INFO/GPS (153 package) and now got replaced by Light and rain sensor for auto headlight dimming and wiper, blind spot monitoring, collision prevention assist, lane keeping assist and rearview system (8Fv and 85Y packages).
Avanti, how does this square with your indication that Mercedes is totally uninvolved with this display?
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OK, let me try to unravel this a bit:


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If Mercedes is not involved, how does this Alpine unit get powered up. I don't see any power cables. Doesn't the brochure indicate that the S906 display requires the Mercedes X902 option, whatever that is?
X902 is NOT a Mercedes option code. They are all 3-character codes, starting with a letter.

X902 is an Alpine code. It seems to be mostly referenced on European Alpine sites, e.g.:

https://www.alpine.co.uk/p/Products/...des/x902d-s906

It is a 9" nav system.

Since Alpine designed this system for the Sprinter specifically, I'm sure it comes with an adaptor to the Mercedes Audio-15 connector.

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Also, if this is a totally third party display, why would the dealer tell the OP that Mercedes had deleted this display and substituted a driver safety option?
Well, that's the question, isn't it?

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I initially ordered Large Screen-INFO/GPS (153 package) and now got replaced by Light and rain sensor for auto headlight dimming and wiper, blind spot monitoring, collision prevention assist, lane keeping assist and rearview system (8Fv and 85Y packages).
Well, the latter text sounds like the Sprinter driver assistance package:

JP2 Driving Assistance Package
Elements include:
• JA7 Blind Spot Monitoring
• JA6 Collision Prevention Assist
• JW5 Lane Keeping Assist
• LA1 High Beam Assist


plus the backup camera (Sprinter option code FR8 )

8Fv and 85Y are NOT Mercedes codes--I assume they are Winnebago's option codes for these Sprinter options.

So, the bottom line is that comparing this 3-rd party head unit with a Mercedes option package is apples-and-oranges, although I am sure they are both legitimate Winnebago options.


BTW: I have the Driver Assist Package. It is great. I would NEVER want a Sprinter without it. It is easy to upgrade a head unit. It is virtually impossible to add the safety stuff (which involves cameras, radar, etc).
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OK, let me try to unravel this a bit:



X902 is NOT a Mercedes option code. They are all 3-character codes, starting with a letter.

X902 is an Alpine code. It seems to be mostly referenced on European Alpine sites, e.g.:

https://www.alpine.co.uk/p/Products/...des/x902d-s906

It is a 9" nav system.

Since Alpine designed this system for the Sprinter specifically, I'm sure it comes with an adaptor to the Mercedes Audio-15 connector.



Well, that's the question, isn't it?



Well, the latter text sounds like the Sprinter driver assistance package:

JP2 Driving Assistance Package
Elements include:
JA7 Blind Spot Monitoring
JA6 Collision Prevention Assist
JW5 Lane Keeping Assist
LA1 High Beam Assist


plus the backup camera (Sprinter option code FR8 )

8Fv and 85Y are NOT Mercedes codes--I assume they are Winnebago's option codes for these Sprinter options.

So, the bottom line is that comparing this 3-rd party head unit with a Mercedes option package is apples-and-oranges, although I am sure they are both legitimate Winnebago options.


BTW: I have the Driver Assist Package. It is great. I would NEVER want a Sprinter without it. It is easy to upgrade a head unit. It is virtually impossible to add the safety stuff (which involves cameras, radar, etc).
It gets curioser.. On the link there is info on where it iis sold but it appears to be sold only in Sweden. They do indicate X902 is an Alpine code but make referemce to S906 as a Mercedes model code. There is no Alpine contact info on the website that I could find. Perhaps Winnebago has or had access to this unit that wasn't available to other Sprinter upfitters.

Re the driver Assist Package. I'm surprised that insurance carriers haven't started to ding collision premiums on vehicles not equipped with this stuff.
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OK, let me try to unravel this a bit:



X902 is NOT a Mercedes option code. They are all 3-character codes, starting with a letter.

X902 is an Alpine code. It seems to be mostly referenced on European Alpine sites, e.g.:

https://www.alpine.co.uk/p/Products/...des/x902d-s906

It is a 9" nav system.

Since Alpine designed this system for the Sprinter specifically, I'm sure it comes with an adaptor to the Mercedes Audio-15 connector.



Well, that's the question, isn't it?



Well, the latter text sounds like the Sprinter driver assistance package:

JP2 Driving Assistance Package
Elements include:
• JA7 Blind Spot Monitoring
• JA6 Collision Prevention Assist
• JW5 Lane Keeping Assist
• LA1 High Beam Assist


plus the backup camera (Sprinter option code FR8 )

8Fv and 85Y are NOT Mercedes codes--I assume they are Winnebago's option codes for these Sprinter options.

So, the bottom line is that comparing this 3-rd party head unit with a Mercedes option package is apples-and-oranges, although I am sure they are both legitimate Winnebago options.


BTW: I have the Driver Assist Package. It is great. I would NEVER want a Sprinter without it. It is easy to upgrade a head unit. It is virtually impossible to add the safety stuff (which involves cameras, radar, etc).
@avanti,

As always, you have very insightful information. Except the smaller screen for rearview display this package seems to be a very useful package.

Thanks!
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The new 2019 Sprinters appear to have a choice of 7" screen or 10.25" screen, and looking at the pictures on the European websites, I don't think an after-market (like Alpine) double-DIN replacement will fit in place of either unit. The dashes look totally different.

Look at the images here: https://www.mercedes-benz.co.uk/cont...inter_overview

So I think Winnebago is defaulting to the OEM 7" option and not offering the Alpine in models based on the '19 chassis.
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The Era I ordered is 19 Winnebago model. I am not sure it uses the 2019/2020 sprinter chassis. I think it may be still the 2018 and half sprinter. I image the price will increase with 2019 chassis?
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The new 2019 Sprinters appear to have a choice of 7" screen or 10.25" screen, and looking at the pictures on the European websites, I don't think an after-market (like Alpine) double-DIN replacement will fit in place of either unit. The dashes look totally different.

Look at the images here: https://www.mercedes-benz.co.uk/cont...inter_overview

So I think Winnebago is defaulting to the OEM 7" option and not offering the Alpine in models based on the '19 chassis.
So, it looks like WGO and Alpine dealt with each other directly without Mercedes involvement and in anticipation of the new dashboard WGO ended their arrangement with Alpine.
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For those of you lusting over this Alpine, you can easily upgrade your head unit with the Halo 9, which this basically is. And it's very easy to retain your factory backup camera and steering wheel controls.
https://www.alpine-usa.com/product/v...-auto-ilx-f309
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