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Old 04-16-2018, 04:52 AM   #1
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Yikes, what does this mean?

At apx. 11:00 minutes in, as the reviewers look over the van’s body, one comments:

“We also don’t get the super tall one. That’s gone now.”

Followed shortly by the Mercedes rep saying,

“It’s just hard to make it work for U.S. safety regulations”

Besides, last month we were ready to order a new Ascent until I found out about the biodiesel situation, I see nothing that changes Mercedes fuel requirements yet. Several states are already mandating B10, and Minnesota is mandating B20 by May of this year. MB's written statement is clear, they will not honor the warranty if using blends over B5. I want to travel to Minnesota and other corn belt states who are choosing to up their biodiesel blends. A fancy display, nice cupholders, and a smart-phone operated lock and ignition doesn’t make up for limited travel IMO.
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Old 04-16-2018, 05:34 PM   #3
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Yikes, what does this mean?

At apx. 11:00 minutes in, as the reviewers look over the van’s body, one comments:

“We also don’t get the super tall one. That’s gone now.”

....
The floor is lower.
Does that translate to higher interior height?
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Several states are already mandating B10, and Minnesota is mandating B20 by May of this year. MB's written statement is clear, they will not honor the warranty if using blends over B5.
What "written statement" are you referring to? Every one that I am familiar with is about as clear as mud. They hedge a LOT on this point. Since they sell Sprinters in those states, they run up against issues involving implied warranty of fitness for purpose, as the MB lawyers are no-doubt well-aware.
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What "written statement" are you referring to? Every one that I am familiar with is about as clear as mud. They hedge a LOT on this point. Since they sell Sprinters in those states, they run up against issues involving implied warranty of fitness for purpose, as the MB lawyers are no-doubt well-aware.
I agree with your thoughts on the implied warranty of merchantability, and I am certainly puzzled how they sell like this, however check out the MB-USA brochure titled, Mercedes Benz Biodiesel Brochure. I would not want to go up against MB on a claim based on this language. I feel that there should be disclosure by the Class B manufacturers. The brochure is available online, link at bottom.

Under the section Mercedes-Benz USA Approval for using Biodiesel:

”The use of diesel fuels containing a higher percentage of biodiesel, (B6 to B20) according to ASTM D7467 as well as straight biodiesel (B100) according to ASTM D6751 may cause severe damage to your engine and fuel system, and are not approved by Mercedes-Benz.”

AND, in the section Warranty Guidelines for Biodiesel Usage:

“Diesel fuel with up to B5 biodiesel content according to ULSD specification ASTM D975 meets Mercedes-Benz approved fuel standards and will not void coverage under the Mercedes-Benz New Vehicle Limited Warranty.”

“Diesel fuels between B6 and B20 or higher pose risks of engine and fuel system damage, and are not approved by Mercedes-Benz.”

“Any damage caused by the use of such non-approved fuels will not be covered by the Mercedes-Benz New Vehicle Limited Warranty.”

Here’s a link to the brochure,

https://www.mbusa.com/vcm/MB/Digital..._Brochure5.pdf
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Because of the Manguson-Moss Warranty Act, M-B can't just void warranties left and right. However, they can blame stuff on running B10-B20 and say that the warranty is void because it was related to this.

I've seen this catch 22 since the NCV3 came on the market.

As for the gasser Sprinters, I wonder how well those are going to turn out.

Of course, being able to get in your Sprinter with just your phone looks cool.
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Yikes, what does this mean?

At apx. 11:00 minutes in, as the reviewers look over the van’s body, one comments:

“We also don’t get the super tall one. That’s gone now.”

Followed shortly by the Mercedes rep saying,

“It’s just hard to make it work for U.S. safety regulations”
The super tall they were referring to was the fiberglass roof extension that only Advanced RV was converting. You won't miss a thing unless you are over 6'2" and was wanting an Advanced RV.
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I suppose they think that to keep the warranty, you should buy fuel in one state so that you can drive it in another.
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I don't see anywhere that MB will void your warranty if you use B20. There is a lot of cautionary advice but bottom line if you have to use it you have to use it. They don't like it for obvious protective reasons but I would not get too excited unless MB pulls its diesel Sprinters for sale out of states like Minnesota or reduces the warranty period.

I wonder if the issue is addressed in the 2019 models. You would think they would have to deal with it. It is not going to go away.
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I agree with your thoughts on the implied warranty of merchantability, and I am certainly puzzled how they sell like this, however check out the MB-USA brochure titled, Mercedes Benz Biodiesel Brochure. I would not want to go up against MB on a claim based on this language. I feel that there should be disclosure by the Class B manufacturers. The brochure is available online, link at bottom.

Under the section Mercedes-Benz USA Approval for using Biodiesel:

”The use of diesel fuels containing a higher percentage of biodiesel, (B6 to B20) according to ASTM D7467 as well as straight biodiesel (B100) according to ASTM D6751 may cause severe damage to your engine and fuel system, and are not approved by Mercedes-Benz.”

AND, in the section Warranty Guidelines for Biodiesel Usage:

“Diesel fuel with up to B5 biodiesel content according to ULSD specification ASTM D975 meets Mercedes-Benz approved fuel standards and will not void coverage under the Mercedes-Benz New Vehicle Limited Warranty.”

“Diesel fuels between B6 and B20 or higher pose risks of engine and fuel system damage, and are not approved by Mercedes-Benz.”

“Any damage caused by the use of such non-approved fuels will not be covered by the Mercedes-Benz New Vehicle Limited Warranty.”

Here’s a link to the brochure,

https://www.mbusa.com/vcm/MB/Digital..._Brochure5.pdf
I am well aware of that brochure and have read it very carefully. However, your excerpts are selective. You have to read the entire brochure to understand my "clear as mud" comment. For example, you left out the following:

If customers cannot avoid the use of biodiesel fuel between B6 and B20, it’s critical for them to monitor their engine oil level and engine running performance.

There is no way Mercedes is going to deny a warranty claim based on the forced use of B5-20 if proper precautions (such as monitoring for oil dilution) are followed.
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