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Old 10-24-2014, 04:35 AM   #1
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We were parked by an small ACE class A the other day, so I looked it up to see the specs. It was a front engine gas, with a Ford V10. What surprised me is that the V10 in the motorhome chassis has a bunch more horsepower and torque than the one in the cutaway used for class C RVs. The ACE also had the big truck tires (19.5"?), so tire load capacity is better, especially in the front.

I was kind of surprised to see so much difference, and if we were in the market for larger, it would sure seem that being on the motorhome chassis would have a bunch of advantages.

Anybody looked at this more closely?
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Old 10-24-2014, 05:35 PM   #2
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Look up the article in motorhome magazine online. The ACE may be shorter than some class A's and they are marketing them as a little bigger than an SUV but the height is nearly 12' and the width is nearly 9'. If the class A makers want to market themselves as smaller then they should just make smaller RVs and cut out the hocus pocus.
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Old 10-24-2014, 08:53 PM   #3
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At over 28 feet long for the shortest one it is considerably bigger than a Winnebago Via Class A. I guess for Class As it is still small since I believe most start around 32 feet in length.

Stan, I don't think there are any Ford cabless chassis that can be used for Class As can be any smaller like the smaller Class As of old. The old classic streamlined GMC motorhome used to be in a couple of configurations of 23 foot and 27 foot. Back in the 70s when my parents had one I thought it was huge.
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Old 10-24-2014, 09:31 PM   #4
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i looked at this. 25 foot Class A on e-350 chassis v10


http://axis-motorhomes.com/



the 24.1 model is the best

can be had for about 70,000
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I think the point was missed a bit. It was that the ACE, as a "small A" had some big advantages over similar class C models of similar size, and over some class A's also. Why would someone want to be on the lower capacity, and have over 10% less power, if you don't have to.

It is just over 8' wide, the axis is just under but has the smaller engine and tires.

There is no doubt in my mind that a small A could be built with the good stuff, and it would handle better and tow a toad better than any B or small A that has the small engine and tires.
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I believe you are correct Davydd but it seems like The ACE and Winnebago Brave are actually trying to trick people into thinking they are buying a smaller, more manuverable RV. The Brave 27 B is around 29' long. Very strange marketing but since this thread was started by one of our B class compatriots , I guess it's effective.
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I believe you are correct Davydd but it seems like The ACE and Winnebago Brave are actually trying to trick people into thinking they are buying a smaller, more manuverable RV. The Brave 27 B is around 29' long. Very strange marketing but since this thread was started by one of our B class compatriots , I guess it's effective.
Stan, I am not pushing or discounting any particular model. What I am saying is that the overgrown class C's may not be the best choice for move up (size) folks do to the mentioned downsides. In the same thought process, it is hard for some of us to visualize a 24+ foot, 10.5 foot high, dually, vehicle, as a real class B, either. As B's get bigger, and C's more stressed to get market and pushing the design limits,, there may be better solutions, and a small A may be one of the answers.

There is no doubt in my mind, that a well designed 24', 7' wide, 11' high, mini class A chassis, could easily compete in the market, if there is a market for that size. How the long Sprinter sells will tell us that. I also have no doubt that using an existing cargo van, and trying to make it the ultimate RV, is not the most efficient way to do it, especially if it is a unibody, with cut restrictions.

We really like our 20' long, 8.5' high, class B, and it easily does all the things a traditional class B was designed for. Does a 24' long, 11' high, dually do the same? Or is it just a narrower C or A model clone made out of a chopped up van? Would a narrow class C on a cutaway do the same thing, only better? Are the new big B's really what a B+ should be called? Does anyone truly believe that a 24' dually is going to fool any homeowner association or local cop into thinking it is a conversion van?

Sure the A manufactures are trying to fool folks, but so are the "B+"folks and the monster B folks, both of which can't fulfill the standard class B benefits. The market will shake itself out sooner or later, but if Europe is a good indicator, smaller, specific design RVs will begin to show up.

To each his own, I say, but what sells will stay, and what doesn't will go away.

We will see what happens.

Again the point was "why would you get marginal capacity wheels and tires, and less power, when you can get better in each category?" (if it is available)
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I don't know where you are getting your dimensions. There are no Sprinters Class Bs over 10 feet high. 9'-8" to 9'10" is typical depending on the air conditioner. 6'-7.5" is the width. Like I said originally, I don't think you will be able to get a Class A RV on a cab-less chassis less than 25-6" long in America (they don't exist any smaller). Also you'll never get one less than 10 foot in height but more like 11 to 12 feet and probably never less than about 8 foot wide. And they will never drive like a van no matter how much you wish or compensate in your mind. That's a bigger difference than you might imagine. There are some Class Cs on a Sprinter cab cutaway chassis that are only 22'-9" long like the Pleasure-way Pursuit so there is some viability there. The extra width that make dry baths practical and slide outs seem to make the small Cs appealing, but with the people I know, the small Cs definitely change touring habits that are the strong suit of a Class B.

What is going away? The classic van Chevys with bumped up fiber glass roofs. The equivalent Ford and Dodges are gone already. The Promaster won't quite do it but the Ford Transit will mark the end of the Chevys. Roadtrek will throw in the towel on the Chevys in less than 2 years is my prediction. Size, payload and tank capacities will relegate Promasters to niche status similar to Roadtrek Agiles and Pleasure-way Ascents compared to Transits and Sprinters for Class Bs.
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You are correct that the Chevy is going away, and the question is whether that market goes with it. Will there be no more traditionally sized class B's? All that needs to shake out.

What I am saying is that class B's get bigger, and class C's get huge, it could open up the market for class A style designs, especially with the low cost American vans going away.

In Europe, the class A's overlap the class B and C sizes, so they already exist. Hymer has one that is about 6 X 2.3 meters, which is way smaller than Sprinter van, so a small A can easily be built.

Now that the B market has gone way north of $100K and is approaching $200K, the incentive to compete may be there in the future.

I just don't see the 20' class B, and all it's benefits going away, with everyone driving duallies, and once you are 24+ft long, you could also be on a narrow A and have a more versatile floorplan with more space.

We will see.
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For Class As to get any smaller than 25.5 feet long x 11 feet high x 8 feet wide someone is going to have to design and sell a new chassis and that is probably not going to happen with American manufacturers anytime soon I suspect. There hasn't been much importing of European RVs that I am aware of and I suspect most converters have gotten comfortable with the small C cab chassis designs to compete with Class Bs. I still think the Ford Transit is going to be a very popular Class B and will retard anyone thinking of creating smaller Class As.

There are a lot of smaller chassis in the world out there but the RV market is not going to bring them to America. There would have to be a commercial trucking need to do so and that hasn't happened. The Euro style vans are filling that need.
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